I see because I was able to get to day 7 and unfortunately Benson is dead but I have not seen any red texts except for the disembodied voice name. I guess the password is hidden in plain sight?
Well, welcome to the world of VNs! Enjoy as you sink deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole~
Some colored text are very significant while others may just have been used to signify an intense or a particular emotion. Just pay attention to them, just in case.
You need max affection and can't miss a single convosation. The one i kept missing was asking hoss about family which happens if you choose not to follow tyson the second time he gets in an argument with roswel.
No red text in the benson one, the words hidden in the text and gets repeated alot. If you need help grizz put something in orlando and hoss's routes that can help. It still leads to a bad end but gives the last password for bensons.
Just an idea, but Grizz what if you make a Youtube channel consisting of videos including OSTs, VN updates, and idk maybe some announcements for the game's status. That way, it can attract more readers and will let the readers be updated of the vn's content. (just an suggestion tho, im not even sure if its a good idea at all)
Isn't that what the itch.io and public patreon messages and updates are for? As for the OST, its of such high quality that i would assume it would sell well. I honestly wouldn't mind if the OST was added as a separate itch.io project or dlc for this and just get added to as it goes on since i would be more than happy to drop cash up front. I'd easily drop £10 on it can't speak for anyone else tho (and im terrible at judging prices isn't it wonderful).
I'll probably bundle a copy of the OST for existing Patrons at some point once it's fully remastered, and then as additional DLC for Steam release when we get around to it.
The main thing about releasing any of the OST thus far is that they all need tweaks here and there, and I'd rather present the best version of it forward.
I'm sure they would sell really well. To be honest, I wouldn't mind either, even if the project will cost something to have access to it. I'd do probably $15 since its so good to listen to on almost any mood you're on.
Thanks. Also is he supposed to get depressed for awhile. Hope that im still on the path for a good ending. What makes me nervous is how long it has been since I could've entered another trauma password.
The vault works through trauma so dave is just being traumatised again and again using it. There's only 4 paths so i wouldn't worry about that. If anyone is dead you aren't on the best path.
Replaying sal's route and his convo by the pool on day 9 is rather odd. Sal says ''like your dad little abi is..'' showing he knows about daves dad but then the convo is dave revealing about his dad and sal being suprised like he had no idea.
I think it's because Sal didn't know the whole story (how David died and the events after). Dave reveals this fact to Sal when Sal shared his sister's story but only the fact that David's dead. Everything else was omited and therefore Sal is still suprised.
EDIT: Probably Sal is suprised because it's the only problem that bothers Dave all along. He is still shaken up by it and didn't get over it. And Dave didn't share it with him and the group.
A lot of images are missing from the gallery, and a lot of that is being amended in the Patron update in December hopefully, as I can revise that code easier while on the road.
Christ, day 14 was heartbreaking, but cathartic. I'm glad it's finally out there and Dave can start to move on.
It's like a broken bone that set wrong, everything is painful around it and you've become crippled by it. The only way to heal properly is to break it again, but set it right this time.
Alright, so there wasn't a cliffhanger, good... Or was there? Yep, I was wrong. There was a cliffhanger. A hidden one but there was one. Well, here goes my lifeline. *pretend I cliff hanged myself because it's a joke*
P.S.: I hate cliffhangers. >:(
(and to make it even worth reading, I have to comment Day 12 because there's not much content about it here in the comments)
The story was okay. Actually, really well made. Better than I expected.
*SPOILERS AHEAD! JUST SAYING*
(BTW if you don't understand my writings or there's a mistake, excuse my unawareness, my first writings never make sense and are full of mistakes, so I usually rewrite them the next day. This one is so far unedited)
Oswin's theory on diffrent timelines is really painful to read, especially that I don't want to continue. “You made a mistake. You shouldn't even be here. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT.“ And it's true. If the player has a little sense, it's definitely hard to continue. But it's a part of the life, you make mistakes that you regret but you need to move forward in order to get more info, more of something to start understanding your decisions you've made (although you can just quit the game and start over but I'm getting of track, sorry).
I absolutely adore this day because it has so much replay value. Doing another run gives you quite a lot of new information that you would normally miss if you played in „normal circumstances.“ So. Much. Death. Really feel sorry for you Grizz, typing it all in must have been hard with 4 diffrent outcomes. You could also do a little behind the scenes one day or a speedpaint or anything else (just an idea, it could really slow you down actually, setting it up, managing it and editing it all... that's a lot of work for something that's not even helpful). Your drawings are very clean the last time I checked, less strokes are visible and helping lines are completely gone! And the last update is not the exception. Probably had more time I assume.
The last bit though... Oh, that got me good. Didn't know you will put Jack on the line that early (probably because I haven't made another theory and correct my last one from 5 months back). The running bit I figured, what else was there as an option when Jack the killer comes in to the main storyline. Although, I thought that it would be the same chase like on Day 14 but Tyson is with you. What a night.
I also started commenting on Dave exhausting himself and the day ending too early. The sudden slam to my face got me by surprise (Oswin waking up Dave). No words can describe just how funny it is to start commenting on something and then the game be like: „Stop right there! I can't take your pitiful sobing, just... here, have a little more, so you stop whining again.“ The little was a little but damn Grizz, you got me good. The leader of people's emotions, I like it!
But the Sal thing. Man, I so want to hug Sal and ensure him that everything is going to be okay. It's just sad making me think of him taking care of his plush watermelon. It's adorable but a bit lonely as well. Hugz.
You say "Jack the killer." After reading the day 14 story, Jack might not yet be murderer...the new day 12 of the other story line I agree that he is the murderer...but is he working alone?
There is the part that he asks you about the butler, and when you tell him he is alive and well, he gets gloomy...as if he was expecting him to be dead.
What I will give you is Jack definitely seems to be an evil character and could definitely be the cause of future killings. He also is seen on the phone relaying information to someone (I assume someone in Orlando's family).
If anything, this tells me more that it is probably Orlando.
You're completely right, my bad. It's just funny to call him as „the killer“ because it reminds me of „Jeff the killer.“ He is more as a hitman if any. He's not doing it because he wants to, he's paid to do it (as you already know). It must be a family the Hammond family had set against themselves. I have no clue what family it could be but I agree Orlando's family is a prime suspect with their „questionable acts and past.“
I firmly assert that there's no cliffhangers as of yet. While yes, things might leave on a tense note, or perhaps leaving you wanting more, in any given update the immediate resolution of the scenes takes place. Even in Path C and D here with Dave going into the woods with Tyson.
A cliffhanger would be cutting to black as Dave's running through the woods and you don't know if he's escaped or not.
To clarify though, did you play through Day 14 as well?
OK, it depends on how you put it. With the new information, maybe the question of Tyson presence isn't as much of a cliffhanger as I first thought. On one hand, it wants you to continue, to see what happened in the end. On the other hand, it's like the option with Sal. If you want him dead, he will kill himself. Or will he? Now we now that he WILL kill himself but before the update, it wasn't a cliffhanger but yet there was that feeling of you wanting to know Sal's presence even here. So I guess you're right.
Yes, I've played through Day 14. The ending could be a cliffhanger but for sure isn't a one. Yeah, the characters reference the next day as „a hard one“ but there's no proof, no event or basically anthing else that clearly concludes the day with information yet to be clarified. It's just emotional but reassuring that there's still HOPE among the group. Right?
I've said in the past that there'll be a total of one cliffhanger in the game's production given how/when it'll need to be done and what's feasible within one month's worth of work. If you think what we've seen so far is a cliffhanger, you have no idea given what's coming up.
ESPECIALLY at the bad route where you cant Get the pass at day 10. It broked my heart where he said I love you then at day 12 where he and Dave go to the forrest then that GODDAMN!!! Rabbit(hare) murdered him...
I think? Dave did hear a scream then got back to the mansion... I wish we get TY alive or wounded I just want them to have a good life like Oh my God!!
I cried so much while reading Day 14(Good Timeline) cuz my dad died the same way his dad did. I also played the Day 12(Bad Timeline) and it was tragic, to say the least. This by far is my No.1 fav vn. Thanks for the amazing work Grizz!!!
I used up a whole roll of tissue paper trying to wipe the tears. I can relly relate to Dave especially since my Dad and his Dad has so many similarities. One, they're both police officers, two, they're both named David, and three, they're both dead ;-;
This game is a ton of fun, and I cant wait until the next patch in a few days.
That being said, i have some theories as to who the murderer is. If you have not done all of the scenarios as far as you can take them, some of this may come as a spoiler.
Note: I am assuming for simplicity that the killer is the same in all scenarios.
Prime suspect - Jack
You may all recall the white thing in the woods. Though we may not know exactly who/what it is then...it was most likely Jack. We know he has been in the woods for about week, and he is a shady character. He pulls a knife on Dave and chases him all the way to the mansion. While he has not been visible in story that long...his unknown part in the story makes him a prime suspect. The knife he pulled could have been the one used to kill Hoss and Oswin, or have been in the Floor with Sal, and could have been used to slash up Tyson. We also know there was an unknown figure in the mansion on the night Roswell dies.
One of the big incriminating clues that this will be the murderer is Oswin's Hansel and Gretel story.
Second suspect - Orlando
I know this is going to surprise a lot of people, but Orlando could be the killer in every scenario (even his own demise). Looking at Orlando's backstory, his family is in the mafia, and his family is looking to have him take over the family business after the vacation is over. Usually in the mob, there is some sort of "test" when handing this type of thing over. His test could be to kill one (or all) of his friends.
When you talk with Thantanos in the lab, he talks about how they obtained DNA of Orlando's dad, which also means Orlando could be programmed into the Vault.
A lot of the bad endings and the investigations that come in the good endings hint that almost everyone would let their guard down around Orlando because he is trustworthy.
On top of that, he can be tied to every one of the killings:
Tyson - claw marks mauled the body. Sal also watched the incident between Tyson and Dave leading up to Tyson storming off. If Orlando found out from Sal, that gives more than enough motive.
Sal - He knew early on about Sal's sleepwalking (which is evident in the Sal story). Orlando also knows the freezer sticks, has access to the knife that was in the floor. The reason it still makes sense here is you pass Sal off to Orlando ONLY. If Sal were to be found dead, the only suspect would be Orlando, so he backs out.
Hoss - after Tyson thinks he kills Hoss, and Dave heads down to check, Orlando is on the way to the gym. Orlando also has the most access to the knives.
Roswell - while there are no direct clues here, Roswell says he'd be safest around Orlando and would willingly turn his back to him.
Dean - This one is the biggest clue for me. Before Dean dies, he goes to feed Dave a mushroom and Orlando swats it out of his hand. Dean then picks the mushroom off of the floor and eats it which leads to his death.
Orlando's ending - this one is a bit of a stretch...but here it goes. Say Orlando was tasked to kill Dave and friends. When Dave tries to buddy up with Orlando, Orlando decides it is not worth it to follow through and commits suicide. He is also smiling which would indicate he was happy with his decision. One of the other awkward parts to this is in the bad ending, the vault is OPEN!
Oswin & Benson - There is no real evidence for or against any of the characters with regards to either of their bad endings.
Third suspect - Oswin (aka OZ)
The reason Oswin is one of my top suspects is because when you read the letters, some of them seem to apologize and he did not mean for these things to happen. My guess that the first couple of deaths were "experiments" to test Morphic Resonance. He also knows about all of the secret passageways and secret rooms, has the chemicals used to kill Dean and Orlando in his lab, and has the house bugged. Benson also hints that we should not be too quick to trust Oswin. He also has access to a gun (he fires at Jack), and has the air gun thing to inject chemicals into people (which would have been used to kill Orlando).
Potential other suspects: Dean and Roswell.
The argument I have seen for Dean (and could believe) is that he is the jealous boyfriend, and kills whoever swoops in on you. Dean's death could be chalked up to an accident. One interesting side note for Dean, is that in no scenarios except his own does he help in the investigation.
Roswell has a similar side as Dean, except instead of boyfriend, he wants Dave as his absolute best friend. He talks about wanting things to be the way they used to be (when he was Dave's only friend). He also seems to be incredibly knowledgeable about just about any scenario. He knows the chemical to kill Orlando, about dangerous mushrooms that kill Dean, and about Hypnos (who controls Sal while sleepwalking). He also was near the room when Hoss was found stabbed. He also seems to know about Oswin before he comes out (it cannot be coincidence they are both boars). I believe there is also a reference that Florencia might be Roswell's mother.
WOW!!! That is some amazing background research there. This somehow makes more sense of everything that's happened in the story's current build and also gave the possibility that almost everyone of them(except for Sal and Tyson) could've been the killer all along before Jack even popped out of the woods.
P.S. Hoss should also be in that list of potential suspects since Hoss could've used his ability to lie to his own advantage. For example, both him and Benson could've probably lied to you about their "deal" and Benson could've been helping Hoss kill them all(meaning Benson could be a suspect too).
Also by a few days, u mean tomorrow right? cuz the game updates every 15th of the month if u didn't know and last time I checked, today is the 14th of November.
If you take into account all routes the fact that everyone can die rather removes alot of suspects. Also pretty sure there's a second rat named hypnos that is thanatos's brother and thats who's been able to steal from the lab, move around unseen and talking to sal in the night. Having both thanatos and hypnos as names can't be just coincidence considering their mythology. Also would be fitting with the way oz talks about his sister as her being the most forceful out of the three since in the mythos its thanatos and hypnos sisters who are all about violent death.
The fact that he talked about using climbing gear to scale the walls of the maze connects to how the frick did someone climb the museum's bookshelves. And when sal mentioned that dean had a hunting knife is just weird but that answered some of my questions when jack appeared with a hunting knife. Plus guilt. So when dean got poisoned he apologized for something.
(Maybe becuz he didnt wash his hands or he didnt notice the ammonia)
Maybe guilt took over him to commit suicide because roswell mentioned if he died that quick he would have to eat more deathcaps to speed it up.
So suicide because of guilt?
Maybe im going to a dead end here cuz dean seems to be gentle at most. And im going to get shot out the airlock at this point. Btw i was with pink in electrical
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I see because I was able to get to day 7 and unfortunately Benson is dead but I have not seen any red texts except for the disembodied voice name. I guess the password is hidden in plain sight?
Hello! Kinda new to the vn scene and decided to try this out. Do the colored text have any special significance to em? Currently doing dean's route.
Sorta red usually means its important, but not all passwords are in red and theres plenty of important things that aren't in red.
Well, welcome to the world of VNs! Enjoy as you sink deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole~
Some colored text are very significant while others may just have been used to signify an intense or a particular emotion. Just pay attention to them, just in case.
"RABBIT hole"
last song gave anxiety yesterday ;-;
WHY CANT I FIND HOSS SECOND CG ITS BREN THREE DAYS IM GOING CRAZY KSHSISHSJSN ;V(((
You need max affection and can't miss a single convosation. The one i kept missing was asking hoss about family which happens if you choose not to follow tyson the second time he gets in an argument with roswel.
Found it -0^0-
Sorry for come here again most im not found the red text im the benso bed ending
No red text in the benson one, the words hidden in the text and gets repeated alot. If you need help grizz put something in orlando and hoss's routes that can help. It still leads to a bad end but gives the last password for bensons.
WHY TYSON DIE (what im do wrong)
theres a password in the bad end that you need to use on the vault before he dies
is the code apear in him bed end?
THAKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
;-; daily check
Hey I got a question what are path A. B. C and D a how do I obtain them?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/42690779
Thanks also thank you again for my dumb comment about day 10 pass.
No problem helping is what i lurk for.
is there a password for day 11 because if not then I just wasted 2 hours playing it over and over.
hidden in plain sight and in red
OH MY GOD THANK YOU. I LOVE YOU. not romantically but thank you. im also really stupid.lol
grizz did a good job hiding it
he did
I love when Roswell makes this face
Me too XD
Hey,can someone tell me the main menu theme song?
Insert password
Still can't find it..do you have a link?
All the songs are owned by grizz and unique to the VN you cant get them anywhere else yet. You can listen to them in the VNs music room tho.
"i ain't gay" proceeds to put bulge in Dave's head
Just an idea, but Grizz what if you make a Youtube channel consisting of videos including OSTs, VN updates, and idk maybe some announcements for the game's status. That way, it can attract more readers and will let the readers be updated of the vn's content. (just an suggestion tho, im not even sure if its a good idea at all)
Isn't that what the itch.io and public patreon messages and updates are for? As for the OST, its of such high quality that i would assume it would sell well. I honestly wouldn't mind if the OST was added as a separate itch.io project or dlc for this and just get added to as it goes on since i would be more than happy to drop cash up front. I'd easily drop £10 on it can't speak for anyone else tho (and im terrible at judging prices isn't it wonderful).
I'll probably bundle a copy of the OST for existing Patrons at some point once it's fully remastered, and then as additional DLC for Steam release when we get around to it.
The main thing about releasing any of the OST thus far is that they all need tweaks here and there, and I'd rather present the best version of it forward.
I'm sure they would sell really well. To be honest, I wouldn't mind either, even if the project will cost something to have access to it. I'd do probably $15 since its so good to listen to on almost any mood you're on.
Is there a password for day 3 because im obv losing my mind.
Not one that effects the story in any way.
Ive seen a few small typos between combos of the words more so spelled like moreso. I don't know if im right or not anyways :3
I don't really think a password for Day 3 matters at all(I wouldnt relly know cuz I never got it at all)
Just an extra thing to do. It doesn't have a story anyhow and is extreme to guess without a hint, so you'll be wasting your time.
Thanks. Also is he supposed to get depressed for awhile. Hope that im still on the path for a good ending. What makes me nervous is how long it has been since I could've entered another trauma password.
The vault works through trauma so dave is just being traumatised again and again using it. There's only 4 paths so i wouldn't worry about that. If anyone is dead you aren't on the best path.
Replaying sal's route and his convo by the pool on day 9 is rather odd. Sal says ''like your dad little abi is..'' showing he knows about daves dad but then the convo is dave revealing about his dad and sal being suprised like he had no idea.
I think it's because Sal didn't know the whole story (how David died and the events after). Dave reveals this fact to Sal when Sal shared his sister's story but only the fact that David's dead. Everything else was omited and therefore Sal is still suprised.
EDIT: Probably Sal is suprised because it's the only problem that bothers Dave all along. He is still shaken up by it and didn't get over it. And Dave didn't share it with him and the group.
Grizz I have a question. Why is Sal's second death not included in the Tidings of Doom in the Gallery? Or was it just late?
A lot of images are missing from the gallery, and a lot of that is being amended in the Patron update in December hopefully, as I can revise that code easier while on the road.
Oh, good luck on trying to amend it.
I can't figure out the day 10 password. Can anyone help me out
hidden in the text on day 10, best hint is daves ''whats the worst case senario'' at the vault
Fr this game is the only thing i think imagine and dream about till today;>; I'm so into it
Christ, day 14 was heartbreaking, but cathartic. I'm glad it's finally out there and Dave can start to move on.
It's like a broken bone that set wrong, everything is painful around it and you've become crippled by it. The only way to heal properly is to break it again, but set it right this time.
That's deep... I like it!
Wow, deeeep
Hot red bath pool
What do u mean by 'Hot red bath poo-WAAAAIIIT A MINUTE!!! OH NO! I LEFT CROC BOY OUTSIDE
Edit: I'm so sorry Sal but I wanted to see if what I thought he meant by it was true(PLS FORGIVE ME)
Vip pool :)
:')
:')
Wait you all people Choose to kill Sal?
Alright, so there wasn't a cliffhanger, good... Or was there? Yep, I was wrong. There was a cliffhanger. A hidden one but there was one. Well, here goes my lifeline. *pretend I cliff hanged myself because it's a joke*
P.S.: I hate cliffhangers. >:(
(and to make it even worth reading, I have to comment Day 12 because there's not much content about it here in the comments)
The story was okay. Actually, really well made. Better than I expected.
*SPOILERS AHEAD! JUST SAYING*
(BTW if you don't understand my writings or there's a mistake, excuse my unawareness, my first writings never make sense and are full of mistakes, so I usually rewrite them the next day. This one is so far unedited)
Oswin's theory on diffrent timelines is really painful to read, especially that I don't want to continue. “You made a mistake. You shouldn't even be here. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT.“ And it's true. If the player has a little sense, it's definitely hard to continue. But it's a part of the life, you make mistakes that you regret but you need to move forward in order to get more info, more of something to start understanding your decisions you've made (although you can just quit the game and start over but I'm getting of track, sorry).
I absolutely adore this day because it has so much replay value. Doing another run gives you quite a lot of new information that you would normally miss if you played in „normal circumstances.“ So. Much. Death. Really feel sorry for you Grizz, typing it all in must have been hard with 4 diffrent outcomes. You could also do a little behind the scenes one day or a speedpaint or anything else (just an idea, it could really slow you down actually, setting it up, managing it and editing it all... that's a lot of work for something that's not even helpful). Your drawings are very clean the last time I checked, less strokes are visible and helping lines are completely gone! And the last update is not the exception. Probably had more time I assume.
The last bit though... Oh, that got me good. Didn't know you will put Jack on the line that early (probably because I haven't made another theory and correct my last one from 5 months back). The running bit I figured, what else was there as an option when Jack the killer comes in to the main storyline. Although, I thought that it would be the same chase like on Day 14 but Tyson is with you. What a night.
I also started commenting on Dave exhausting himself and the day ending too early. The sudden slam to my face got me by surprise (Oswin waking up Dave). No words can describe just how funny it is to start commenting on something and then the game be like: „Stop right there! I can't take your pitiful sobing, just... here, have a little more, so you stop whining again.“ The little was a little but damn Grizz, you got me good. The leader of people's emotions, I like it!
But the Sal thing. Man, I so want to hug Sal and ensure him that everything is going to be okay. It's just sad making me think of him taking care of his plush watermelon. It's adorable but a bit lonely as well. Hugz.
You say "Jack the killer." After reading the day 14 story, Jack might not yet be murderer...the new day 12 of the other story line I agree that he is the murderer...but is he working alone?
There is the part that he asks you about the butler, and when you tell him he is alive and well, he gets gloomy...as if he was expecting him to be dead.
What I will give you is Jack definitely seems to be an evil character and could definitely be the cause of future killings. He also is seen on the phone relaying information to someone (I assume someone in Orlando's family).
If anything, this tells me more that it is probably Orlando.
You're completely right, my bad. It's just funny to call him as „the killer“ because it reminds me of „Jeff the killer.“ He is more as a hitman if any. He's not doing it because he wants to, he's paid to do it (as you already know). It must be a family the Hammond family had set against themselves. I have no clue what family it could be but I agree Orlando's family is a prime suspect with their „questionable acts and past.“
I firmly assert that there's no cliffhangers as of yet. While yes, things might leave on a tense note, or perhaps leaving you wanting more, in any given update the immediate resolution of the scenes takes place. Even in Path C and D here with Dave going into the woods with Tyson.
A cliffhanger would be cutting to black as Dave's running through the woods and you don't know if he's escaped or not.
To clarify though, did you play through Day 14 as well?
OK, it depends on how you put it. With the new information, maybe the question of Tyson presence isn't as much of a cliffhanger as I first thought. On one hand, it wants you to continue, to see what happened in the end. On the other hand, it's like the option with Sal. If you want him dead, he will kill himself. Or will he? Now we now that he WILL kill himself but before the update, it wasn't a cliffhanger but yet there was that feeling of you wanting to know Sal's presence even here. So I guess you're right.
Yes, I've played through Day 14. The ending could be a cliffhanger but for sure isn't a one. Yeah, the characters reference the next day as „a hard one“ but there's no proof, no event or basically anthing else that clearly concludes the day with information yet to be clarified. It's just emotional but reassuring that there's still HOPE among the group. Right?
Essentially.
I've said in the past that there'll be a total of one cliffhanger in the game's production given how/when it'll need to be done and what's feasible within one month's worth of work. If you think what we've seen so far is a cliffhanger, you have no idea given what's coming up.
heart shattered when tyson said brother and everyone milked it 😭💀
(SPOILERS)
ESPECIALLY at the bad route where you cant Get the pass at day 10. It broked my heart where he said I love you then at day 12 where he and Dave go to the forrest then that GODDAMN!!! Rabbit(hare) murdered him...
I think? Dave did hear a scream then got back to the mansion... I wish we get TY alive or wounded I just want them to have a good life like Oh my God!!
The update is relatable
(not the near death part) but the letting out your feelings part is extremely relatable
This is my fave vn now
I cried so much while reading Day 14(Good Timeline) cuz my dad died the same way his dad did. I also played the Day 12(Bad Timeline) and it was tragic, to say the least. This by far is my No.1 fav vn. Thanks for the amazing work Grizz!!!
I am still crying after 21 hours of reading the novel btw
Hugz to you.
Thanks its relly appreciated
Great now it's stuck in my head :'( i feel kinda sad knowing most of the humanity Went through this same pain
... I fucking bawled my eyes out because the dad part was too relatable...
Same happened the same to mine ;-;
I used up a whole roll of tissue paper trying to wipe the tears. I can relly relate to Dave especially since my Dad and his Dad has so many similarities. One, they're both police officers, two, they're both named David, and three, they're both dead ;-;
UPDATE!!! YESSSSSSS
Thank grizz <3
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
oh god, forgot today is the new update aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Oh shit, here we go again. For like 25th time? And there better not be another cliffhanger or I'm gonna cliff hang myself.
Damn ... Yeah me too
Still awake~
Sorry, wrong day
—_—
I hate myself
Im waiting~
Yep I'm addicted to this game my top 1 rn <3
This game is a ton of fun, and I cant wait until the next patch in a few days.
That being said, i have some theories as to who the murderer is. If you have not done all of the scenarios as far as you can take them, some of this may come as a spoiler.
Note: I am assuming for simplicity that the killer is the same in all scenarios.
Prime suspect - Jack
You may all recall the white thing in the woods. Though we may not know exactly who/what it is then...it was most likely Jack. We know he has been in the woods for about week, and he is a shady character. He pulls a knife on Dave and chases him all the way to the mansion. While he has not been visible in story that long...his unknown part in the story makes him a prime suspect. The knife he pulled could have been the one used to kill Hoss and Oswin, or have been in the Floor with Sal, and could have been used to slash up Tyson. We also know there was an unknown figure in the mansion on the night Roswell dies.
One of the big incriminating clues that this will be the murderer is Oswin's Hansel and Gretel story.
Second suspect - Orlando
I know this is going to surprise a lot of people, but Orlando could be the killer in every scenario (even his own demise). Looking at Orlando's backstory, his family is in the mafia, and his family is looking to have him take over the family business after the vacation is over. Usually in the mob, there is some sort of "test" when handing this type of thing over. His test could be to kill one (or all) of his friends.
When you talk with Thantanos in the lab, he talks about how they obtained DNA of Orlando's dad, which also means Orlando could be programmed into the Vault.
A lot of the bad endings and the investigations that come in the good endings hint that almost everyone would let their guard down around Orlando because he is trustworthy.
On top of that, he can be tied to every one of the killings:
Tyson - claw marks mauled the body. Sal also watched the incident between Tyson and Dave leading up to Tyson storming off. If Orlando found out from Sal, that gives more than enough motive.
Sal - He knew early on about Sal's sleepwalking (which is evident in the Sal story). Orlando also knows the freezer sticks, has access to the knife that was in the floor. The reason it still makes sense here is you pass Sal off to Orlando ONLY. If Sal were to be found dead, the only suspect would be Orlando, so he backs out.
Hoss - after Tyson thinks he kills Hoss, and Dave heads down to check, Orlando is on the way to the gym. Orlando also has the most access to the knives.
Roswell - while there are no direct clues here, Roswell says he'd be safest around Orlando and would willingly turn his back to him.
Dean - This one is the biggest clue for me. Before Dean dies, he goes to feed Dave a mushroom and Orlando swats it out of his hand. Dean then picks the mushroom off of the floor and eats it which leads to his death.
Orlando's ending - this one is a bit of a stretch...but here it goes. Say Orlando was tasked to kill Dave and friends. When Dave tries to buddy up with Orlando, Orlando decides it is not worth it to follow through and commits suicide. He is also smiling which would indicate he was happy with his decision. One of the other awkward parts to this is in the bad ending, the vault is OPEN!
Oswin & Benson - There is no real evidence for or against any of the characters with regards to either of their bad endings.
Third suspect - Oswin (aka OZ)
The reason Oswin is one of my top suspects is because when you read the letters, some of them seem to apologize and he did not mean for these things to happen. My guess that the first couple of deaths were "experiments" to test Morphic Resonance. He also knows about all of the secret passageways and secret rooms, has the chemicals used to kill Dean and Orlando in his lab, and has the house bugged. Benson also hints that we should not be too quick to trust Oswin. He also has access to a gun (he fires at Jack), and has the air gun thing to inject chemicals into people (which would have been used to kill Orlando).
Potential other suspects: Dean and Roswell.
The argument I have seen for Dean (and could believe) is that he is the jealous boyfriend, and kills whoever swoops in on you. Dean's death could be chalked up to an accident. One interesting side note for Dean, is that in no scenarios except his own does he help in the investigation.
Roswell has a similar side as Dean, except instead of boyfriend, he wants Dave as his absolute best friend. He talks about wanting things to be the way they used to be (when he was Dave's only friend). He also seems to be incredibly knowledgeable about just about any scenario. He knows the chemical to kill Orlando, about dangerous mushrooms that kill Dean, and about Hypnos (who controls Sal while sleepwalking). He also was near the room when Hoss was found stabbed. He also seems to know about Oswin before he comes out (it cannot be coincidence they are both boars). I believe there is also a reference that Florencia might be Roswell's mother.
WOW!!! That is some amazing background research there. This somehow makes more sense of everything that's happened in the story's current build and also gave the possibility that almost everyone of them(except for Sal and Tyson) could've been the killer all along before Jack even popped out of the woods.
P.S. Hoss should also be in that list of potential suspects since Hoss could've used his ability to lie to his own advantage. For example, both him and Benson could've probably lied to you about their "deal" and Benson could've been helping Hoss kill them all(meaning Benson could be a suspect too).
Also by a few days, u mean tomorrow right? cuz the game updates every 15th of the month if u didn't know and last time I checked, today is the 14th of November.
If you take into account all routes the fact that everyone can die rather removes alot of suspects. Also pretty sure there's a second rat named hypnos that is thanatos's brother and thats who's been able to steal from the lab, move around unseen and talking to sal in the night. Having both thanatos and hypnos as names can't be just coincidence considering their mythology. Also would be fitting with the way oz talks about his sister as her being the most forceful out of the three since in the mythos its thanatos and hypnos sisters who are all about violent death.
so 'hypnos' really is another rat. And that's how sal doesnt see a face when he talks to it/him.
Just a theory but you dont use the name of two greek gods who are also siblings by accident and it would answer some problems.
(Spoilers :3)
Dean actually ticked my susometer to an 11.
The fact that he talked about using climbing gear to scale the walls of the maze connects to how the frick did someone climb the museum's bookshelves. And when sal mentioned that dean had a hunting knife is just weird but that answered some of my questions when jack appeared with a hunting knife. Plus guilt. So when dean got poisoned he apologized for something.
(Maybe becuz he didnt wash his hands or he didnt notice the ammonia)
Maybe guilt took over him to commit suicide because roswell mentioned if he died that quick he would have to eat more deathcaps to speed it up.
So suicide because of guilt?
Maybe im going to a dead end here cuz dean seems to be gentle at most. And im going to get shot out the airlock at this point. Btw i was with pink in electrical
:P
Haha imagine seeing orlando die again even with the code :')
That's rough buddy
P.S. dont follow the dragon boi to the basement
An update in 2 days. FINALLY MY INSOMNIA HAS USES(there will be no sleep)
Tyson in the shower -0_0-
Evreytime Dave fails to use the password:
My inner DR Fan: *Insert Danganronpa body discovery music* *Ding Dong Ding ding*Monokuma: A Body Has been discovered!
rightttttt