In Dean path c, I've got two X's and idk what it means nor how I'd got those. Does it mean bad choices in patch c?, Plus how do I choose the Path A of Dean or to know what choice's does change the paths (or hints)...
The squares on the save files are for the characters. I think the order is Roswell, Tyson, Orlando, Hoss, Dean, Sal, then Benson, and Oswin. If they get crossed out, it means that character has died.
You stay on path A by using the correct password on day 10.
If you fail the password on day 10, you simply lose two people. I recommend to read on, because the "bad ending" paths are part of the story and MAY be helpful to figure out the mastermind or the password you missed.
In General: The passwords from day 10 and later can be solved without watching the bad ending! Just read carefully whenever Dave starts his investigation and write down sus words on your paper.
Path A: Support Benson, solve all Passwords after day 9
Path B: Reveal Oz, solve all Passwords after day 9
Path C: Support Benson but FAIL Password on day 10
I've discovered the ultimate path, 100% finished game. Solid play, although it opens up to various questions I'd die to find the answers!
Like for instance, who was responsible for Roswell's passing if you didn't get the Password. What happened to the Vault now that the gang didn't go there in the first place, did Memphis take it? And the most mind-boggling question of all...
Fire Axe??? I'm unsure where to start looking for that in the game... Also another question is who'd do it? Cannot imagine Oswin would do it even if Roswell pleads.
No more public updates from now on. If you want to see the updates then its $1 on patreon. There probably will be a bug fix patch maybe but dont quote me on that. Other than that the next update on itch would probbably only happen with the finished product.
I JUSST FOUND A EASTER EGG!! when the game start, i will always put a custom name "Chase" on every visual novel that can change name on it, because the first game i played is echo, but when I just put it on the coffee cup scene I got freaked out when Roswell said he expect Chase look like an otter, so i go back and put random names, 3 or 4 times, its a different dialogue..
i love this game, it's one of my favourites with rtf and echo, i enjoy the story and find out what the password was at all the times, but i have a little problem with the true ending
Spoiler:
I'm a Dean lover, he is my favourite character and his route is my favourite so far, so i was very dyssapointed when i made it to the true ending and see that dean isn't the canon romance for dave.
But that's just a simple complaint that doesn't affect how good this game is, congratulations grizz for making one of the best visual novels i have ever played
So... The romance route is actually useless 😐 Because in the true ending, Dave is... umm... i don't want to spoiler it. I'm just gonna pretend Dean path A is the true end because i love him the most. lol
Warning because there is some spoiler in my comment below :)
The game is good, i enjoy playing it. At first i thought this game will be like "Let's MEAT Adam" because i only heard this game is about solving murder mysteries, guess who is the killer and searching code password (also ofcourse because both is gay, adult, nsfw game) 😆 but now i know, i was wrong.
The story is interesting, my favourite part is when the police came to Dave's house and telling the "bad news" about his father. I can feel his sadness 😭 also i love the part when Dave is dying in path A too. Very emotional.
Every route is unique, each character have different problems that makes me love them more. My favourite route is Sal. Because he have many problems in his life but i'm proud he can hold it alone for years.
Last is i'm just want to appreciate you for making nice save section. It make players easier to remember which route and path they are in. There is also color indicator beside the date of the day and beside the characters name to remind players which route they are in.
I'm sorry that you came away feeling that it was useless. The message you were meant to come away from this was that everything happened, so every romance is canon, everything that could have happened did, but the true end converges it all onto one point.
Maybe useless is not the right word to describe what i mean 😅 i'm sorry.
I'm just surprised, Dave immediately choose him to be his boyfriend in the true ending after he became boyfriend/husband to all of his friends in other routes / paths. I thought he will have complicated feeling, like "who will i choose to be my boyfriend?" Because... if all romances in every routes is canon, i assume now he will have love feeling to all of his friends 😅 the other theory i have is : Dave immediately choose him to be his boyfriend because Dave is afraid, he will leave him forever if he not choose him.
Also, i forgot to ask, how about Memphis in the true path? Is he still go to the mansion after that? I imagine he, Dom and Jack still come to the mansion looking for the time machine. Then he will see the vault is open, he will angry and searching Oswin. Maybe he will kill Oswin 🤔
He chose him because he loved him more. Always has. Think back to the big moments of the game and who's there for Dave most; that's why he was the one that was chosen.
As for what happened to Memphis and his goons, that's for the sequel.
1) It sadly fits Dean's character: "Never lucky....", "Always to late". But he may find a new partner regardless.
2) Depending on the outcome of most Path A and B Route, we can certainly assume that Dave and Dean will open a Coffeshop together regardless, by their own or even with Oswins Money (medal hunt). In a way it must happen, otherwise Dean will tragicly die by a work accident as Thanatos mentioend.
so i've basically 100% this game, loved the story but there's something that bother me about the medals, is all the medals are made of bronze? if it's yes then why in tyson's bad end he's holding a silver medal, and the game doesn't mention what medal was it when dave inspected the medal, does this medal is the 13th medal (Ophiuchus)? if yes, then why does it doesn't mentioned by thanatos or anyone at all?
Put passwords you get in the vault and see what happens. If you don't know what to put, look for something that looks like a keyword closer to bad end.
Benson needs multiple passwords. Each are found in the bad endings. Using one will lead to a new chain of events on day 8 and the next password will be in the new chain of events.
There is something on Hoss's route on day 7 that helps with day 8 and allows to avoid one of the passwords. Think it happens on Orlando's route too but once you know the right password it will work on every route, day 8 is a universal one.
Hello, guys so I finished everyone's route and apparently I have 10 medals. how many medals do I need to find? and how do you get them? I really want to see the true ending thanks
Why would you need it if it's that kind of game where bad endings are half of the whole fun? Especially if getting them is required (i believe you need at least one specific bad end for extra content in the end of a path a).
You can just find all passwords in the game, i believe they're not THAT well hidden. If there's something you haven't seen, maybe you need to make different choices with familiar passwords? (also, if any help, i found my notes about passwords and apparently there's 12 working passwords.)
I have found most of them already. But I can't remember them!!! They are pretty easy to find, I know that. I just have very high memory loss and continue to forget the passwords...
I also have kind of a bad memory, but thankfully to their relevance to the plot, i have remembered all passwords (actually working ones and those that just appeared in the story) since autumn and never forgot them. Maybe that's because i have wrote a guide for my future self (didn't really used it while playing though). Buut i don't want to write them down here, as it is severe spoilers and i don't want anybody unfamiliar with them to see them. Anyway, good luck with recalling/rediscovering passwords. Maybe you'll write them down, too.
To get true ending, you need to play through pretty much every route and "collect" obvious things. Once it's done, you can access true ending in the end of path a.
Routes and paths are different things. Route is determined by your partner and path is determined by your choices. But i recommend to read through everything anyway, it may be fun.
Ok ive been following this vn for a while now and just finished all routes, my ideas are kinda everywhere right now so this post is gonna be sloppy.
(Spoilers obviously)
Ok so I wanna start off saying I was always a Tyson simp so I was glad that it was the most "official" ship but I 100% understand why people wouldn't like him, he threatened to SA Dave which could be indefinable in some peoples eyes.
Something I couldn't shake off is the true ending where Dave asks Tyson if he's in love with him and he immediately says yes. Where in the A path, even after Dave constantly (altho this is optional) tells him that he loves him, he always responds with a "I'm not sure yet" or "I'm trying to figure it out". It just feels like the whole Tyson figuring out his sexuality was skipped in the true ending.
The Tyson in the true ending version is deeply terrified by Dave's sudden abilities. Not to mention that the new Dave totally exposed the "Master". So there is no point in hidding/lying,
For one Dave is more confrontational about it and in a better mental state, directly asking how Tyson felt. Dave before had been too closed off to notice what Tyson was going through, or any of his friends really.
Second Tyson's defenses are lowered from the sedatives he's recovering from. It's mentioned he's lucid, but he's also tired from driving all night to the middle of nowhere and just waking up from being knocked out. The walls he keeps between them are paper thin at that point. Also he doesn't immediately say yes, there is that brief moment you can see him try to fight it before relenting and asking how long Dave has known. Even then, he seems sad or apologetic to admit it, like he's afraid of Dave's reaction.
It's not like those are new feelings either, Tyson has loved Dave for a long while and the denial on the mountain had a fair bit to do with his self worth issues along with being a way to push Dave away to someone better. All those negative feelings haven't had a chance to fester and take hold here. Dave in return already has love for Tyson, main game he's pretty much the first of the six Dave will start to question if he's in love with, plus all the new memories he's seeing of past lives along with that encouragement from Roswell clearing things up.
Heck, special mention to Roswell's line about seeing all the different iterations of the universe, but the one thing that never changes is how much Tyson loves Dave. With Dave having his own set of memories now probably showing him the same thing.
Things on path P line up to where feelings just get acknowledged and reciprocated in a cleaner way. After all they've gone through, and how deep we know those feelings run, it feels good they get that chance to just have that happy ending together on this new prime timeline and all future iterations of the universe.
It's mostly the idea of time convergence. Alternate timelines will tend to play similarly. So if someone dies at a certain point, even if you save them from the cause of death, they will still die in another way.
No? If it helps contextualize it. Just think of it as 'fate' wants some number of them dead and if Dave dies it's a TPK. In the true end, someone still fulfills this condition for them, saving the boys.
I understand what you mean. But that's not an answer to "how or why?". Why does fate wants them then and there? How the special someone came to the conclusion that killing some is beneficial? And why the fate is sated just by killing someone else? How can there be variance in timeline without the "butterfly effect"? Why doesn't "the vault" work earlier, before all that, to prepare? There are just many questions without conclusive answer.
I feel like you're looking for answers to questions that go beyond what's reasonable for a story. If there weren't certain things to incite things, to create a situation, there'd be no story. I answered someone else's question as to how things work and there's an explanation using quantum mechanics, if that answer helps then that's something I'm already trying to make a bit clearer in-text. If not though, then you're wanting a level of explanation that'd make the story a lot more bloated.
I think it's better to understand "fate" as a natural phenomenon. It's not that it "wants" someone to die, it just has to happen. If you are really interested "Steins; Gate" is a 24 episode anime with a huge emphasis on this concept. Similar timelines will wield similar results and, while possible, it's very difficult to move to a timeline that will bypass that. The special someone had access to memories of many past iterations and likely came to the conclusion that someone has to die because it always happens. The vault not working earlier because it goes to it's very principle that of unlocking past iterations memories, if something hasn't happened before it's just not going to work. Eventually it reaches a point that it has accumulated enough information that it can work "earlier". As for the "butterfly effect" that theory for time travel is more popular, but it's opposite to the convergence theory on how it functions, i doubt it'd be possible to have both in the same story.
The reader does't know what Thanatos and his Master did behind the scenes and who they were able to trick fate while David senior was not.
Dave was meant to die. Most of the time by getting gun downed or driven over by one of Memphis Goons. as Memphis was destined to kill or order some killing around day 24 to kill.
Speculating:
Thanatos and his Master find a variance to keep Dave alive be bringing him to the mountain. But doing so either result in the Death of everyone, everyone except Dave (and Oswin), or just Dave first followed by everyone else. So someone was killed to appease DEATH, so Dave could live.
Yes, the reader doesn't know, but it would be nice to explain it, otherwise it just creates a plot hole which you can fill with all kinds of farfetched speculations with lots of assumptions. But it's just not satisfying. A more radical example to make my point: Dave was teleported to London without explanation. You sure can speculate how that happened, but that wouldn't be good.
Hi guys I didn't download the game yet but last time I played it was it's just Day28...but since I have read the comments saying it's finished and has spoilers... So I'm just asking if it is okay to go for any route to get the ending?
you need to do every path pretty much to get the true ending, doesn't matter what route you're on though some routes can't get on some paths because of the role they play in the events.
This visual novel has one of the most complex and fascinating characters I've ever seen in any type of fictional media (I think most people here can figure out who I'm talking about). I was pleasantly surprised to find a character that deeply flawed who was also capable of deeply loving someone that much. Grizz, you're an incredible talented writer and never let anyone convince you otherwise.
Regarding the ending (potential spoiler) ...
The true end was incredibly satisfying. The depth of the relationship of the lovebirds always made my heart beat fast when I was playing the game, thus I'm so happy that they can continue living their lives together. This game was amazing from beginning to end (I cried tears of joy after finishing it).
Does anyone have a list of passwords for each route and day ? Please i`m begging youuu !! i know i know where`s the fun in that? what`s the point ? That`s completely the whole purpose of the game to know and to fully experience the game.
To tell you the truth i`ve been playing this game over and over for months that i thought their is only one ending i didn`t know that there was Zodiacs to collect or even correct passwords .
Wait so you've been stopping at the first bad ending all this time? Well anyone who posts passwords get their comments deleted since it does ruin things, but it fine to tell where to find the first password on each route and thats in the letter you get.
i didn`t know there was other endings , i thought the only ending was them dying , and i didn`t know till now that i need to collect stuff like Cancer and others .
Update: Okay after digging some information on reddit I have never been more embarrased in my life that the passwords was in dialogue's all along, i was soo into what happening to the story that it didn't click in my head about paying attention. Now i feel stupid about asking the password, i feel like the person who was asking " Does Tiktok needs Wifi" ..
sorry for the very late response that`s very rude of me, i played Dean the last, why is there like in order for each route to further progress in the game?
Nope, Dean Route on Day 6 is a little more difficult than the others to figure out the password. His Route doesn't exactly teach the "gameplay" like the other routes.
What was the point of the experiment? Dave remembers everything, so that must mean the lethal medicine Oswin created is going to work or something? Paths A and B both had pretty good endings, but path P is just "what if we went to the beach instead?". Sure, it's the best trauma free timeline (assuming the brain damage from memory overload won't be a problem), but I don't see it working at all with the rest of the story.
a) NO: Oswin medicine had always been a succes; the Events on Judgement Day happend because the experiment at the hospital was sabotaged or botched. ->The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to try again.
b) YES: Oswins Medicine was a Failure and -> The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to change the medicine for another try.
It fits with Flora Message for Dave: If Dave and his friend would have known thats impossible to get all the medals on one iteration, why wouldn't have tried. Life is not about Goal, Succes and Regrets, but rather trying/not giving up, making choices and variance.
Alright, but this serves as a conclusion to the game. It really shouldn't be ambiguous in it's message. I'm not saying that a definitive answer is required, but it could have been explained that the whole thing was to tell Oswin to keep trying even if it might be impossible.
In this case, Florencia's. The medals collecting was her thing, and is what opens that path.
I guess what bothers me most is if just not going to the mansion at all solves everything, why Roswell didn't call it off before? Besides that, I'd like a explicit explanation how this version of the events, makes using the medicine a viable option. Berek07's conjecture is good, but I was hoping that the story would have told me that.
Florencia's experiment was to save her brother and her son. Roswell was terminal with no prospects outside obsessing over a rat that had seen how things play out, and Oswin had given up hope living after his experiment and had to watch his son call someone else dad.
The reason Roswell didn't call it off before is because not going to the mansion doesn't solve the problem. He's tried, it's why we see glimpses of a timeline where Dave is a sole survivor, so that was a no-go. I think an important thing to remember is that Roswell's goal was to keep Dave alive, Thanatos's goal was to keep Roswell alive as much as he could, even in the face of Roswell's wants, and then Florencia just wanted her family fixed.
So why the medals? Because they're impossible to get in one run. They could've been anything at all, just a set of objects that she could've hidden in the same way. It would've required Dave to experience/remember the fact he's looped even with Thanatos as a witness.
The normal question now is usually "So does the medicine work or doesn't it?" the answer is "We don't know." It's a quantum mechanics thing referred to as a wave function collapse, though most people recognize the concept as Schrodinger's cat. All the possibilities of how this medicine works, if it works, is now consolidated into one outcome: which we know due to outside sources that yes, it will work.
As far as providing this explicitly in game, it becomes hard to treat readers with respect for their intelligence with things like this when the alternative is to just open a Wikipedia page on the subject and deliver it up-front. I could have Florencia or someone monologue for a while to get it all down, but at what point does it just become a clunky mess when in-universe Dave isn't going to understand anyway.
It didn't have to be a long winded explanation from her. Florencia could have been like, "Oh so it's actually happening. See, I told you Oz that as long as you try, the impossible could work. This right here is proof of it." and then Oswin, "You know what, you are right. But I'll let Roswell to choose if he wants to risk it or not". Dave doesn't need to understand that interaction.
How is prompting Dave to remember multiple timelines meant leading to saving Oswin and Roswell? Was the idea that Dave remembering would change the family's morale and convince them to try the cure?
Because after all, they can't know if the cure works until they try?
Well, for Roswell it's easy. Dave remembering the vacation means he won't be able to follow with his plans. So it forces him to reevaluate things. Oswin is the one that i just can't find the reasoning. My best guess is seeing Roswell distraught might make him more willing to present the option of the medicine. It's a stretch but i can't come up with something better.
If calling off the mansion doesn't stop people from dying is there any reason not to believe that someone/everyone is likely to die at the beach vacation in the true end?
Edit: Nevermind, read the other comment about how Thanatos dying counts as "the death" that is required for fate to by filled. Guess that makes sense enough now.
This VN was a rollercoaster from start to finish and i loved all of it. I got the most satisfying feeling from this story. I really liked the ending. Overall i think this story was extremely well written. I can already see myself in the future rereading this VN and enjoy it just as much as I did the first time.
I'm so glad I got to experience the emotions that came from this VN, truly one of my most favourite VNs.
I have just one question though. Can you actually get the password to open the vault or is that not a thing? And also:
(sorry if this is a spoiler)
does the Ophiucus medal even exist? If so can someone please tell me if they have found it and how. Because from what I've experienced it looks like there isn't one.
It's a bug, i've messaged Grizz about it on patreon since this was ment to be the last public build so i'll post a comment when i get a response since Grizz's patreon doesn't show him notifications.
Yeah, it's weird. I'll get notifications for everything else (including Patreon having coupons?) just not messages.
The way renpy handles gallery unlocks is through persistent data. If it flags that you've 'experienced' the content, it'll unlock. Except when arbitrarily it decides it won't unlock because of reasons. These reasons are completely alien and not explained at all. In testing, it also decided it wanted to un-complete my gallery for seemingly no reason so I can only assume this is a renpy problem and not something I can solve outside coding in a master unlock password or some hard check at some point to force unlock everything in the gallery. But given the tendency for renpy to also just ignore code, that might not work either.
Yeah, ive noticed this same issue in previous builds where the gallrry would display "Gallery Completed", yet the last image added would still be locked. Its fixed now, but im thinking it might be the same predicament happening for the music gallery as well, since this is the first track being added in a long time.
no wait he does i'm either misremembering or getting confused with path P (true end) which comes after path A. Path A is pretty much regarded as the one where everyone lives at least with normal means.
Does anyone know how to use this password? There is this password that appears available from Day 6 and before that I 'accidently' lucked and guessed this password after doing the Epilogue. I'll put the password below for spoilers
The password I found was called 'the end'. Apparently typing this on Day 1 would just automatically close the game but any other day before or during Day 6 would say that its an available password. I only found 12/13 of the Zodiacs, could this be part of the Ophiuchus?
It isn't that used to be an easter egg password that actually opened the vault it can still be seen if you download like build 15 from the public patreon post for that build i think.
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Just asking real quick, What is a CLUE or HINT for the password for DEAN'S ROUTE after you saved BENSON?
On which day?
Day 10.
Or I guess, the password for Day 9, to prevent the deaths from Sal.
Ah, that password is said pretty predominantly in the bad end.
So it's a word they will continue to use in the bad ending?
Correct. Closer to when it's already too late to change anything, but it's said a few times.
A MASTERPIECE PERIOD.!!!
But a question?
Is there a path where Roswell and Benson won't die?
(I just finished Path A Tyson route)
Path P the true end, you need to get all the medals for it.
Is that so?
Then could you please give me the paths for all the medals?(I only got 4 on path A Tyson route)
You get the other medals by playing the other five routes path A. So Roswell, Dean, etc.
Then go through path B with which ever is your favorite to get the medals there.
Spoilers (I'm new to this)
In Dean path c, I've got two X's and idk what it means nor how I'd got those. Does it mean bad choices in patch c?, Plus how do I choose the Path A of Dean or to know what choice's does change the paths (or hints)...
If sounded dumb, sorry... I'm new to this
The squares on the save files are for the characters. I think the order is Roswell, Tyson, Orlando, Hoss, Dean, Sal, then Benson, and Oswin. If they get crossed out, it means that character has died.
You stay on path A by using the correct password on day 10.
Ahhh okok, thank youu!!!
A red "X" means that a certain person died.
If you fail the password on day 10, you simply lose two people. I recommend to read on, because the "bad ending" paths are part of the story and MAY be helpful to figure out the mastermind or the password you missed.
In General: The passwords from day 10 and later can be solved without watching the bad ending! Just read carefully whenever Dave starts his investigation and write down sus words on your paper.
Path A: Support Benson, solve all Passwords after day 9
Path B: Reveal Oz, solve all Passwords after day 9
Path C: Support Benson but FAIL Password on day 10
Path: D/E: Reveal Oz and FAIL Password on Day 10.
Ohhhhhhh... I Get it now, Thank you!!!
I've discovered the ultimate path, 100% finished game. Solid play, although it opens up to various questions I'd die to find the answers!
Like for instance, who was responsible for Roswell's passing if you didn't get the Password. What happened to the Vault now that the gang didn't go there in the first place, did Memphis take it? And the most mind-boggling question of all...
Does Orlando have balls?
He himself - with an injection on day 5
They send Memphis some picture who the vault gets opened and the "timemashine" does not work anymore.
You played path B, didn't you? Orlando got enough balls to challenge his father. :)
Injections can cause Head Injuries...? The more I know I s'pose.
also goddamnit I didn't mean metaphorical balls!
Roswell's first day 5 death is from being hit in the head with the fireaxe.
The vault is offline and what was in it gone. So when Memphis shows up it'll just be to an empty mansion and a thing in the basement he can't use.
And yes. Orlando has them. Both physical and metaphorical.
Fire Axe??? I'm unsure where to start looking for that in the game... Also another question is who'd do it? Cannot imagine Oswin would do it even if Roswell pleads.
It'd just be the one Sal has and finds under his bed. And later potentially uses on the day 10 event.
It's been a while since I went through Roswell's bad ending, so it isn't completely fresh in my mind. I'd assume either hypnotized Sal or Oswin.
There will be no more updates unless you buy the one on patreon?
No more public updates from now on. If you want to see the updates then its $1 on patreon. There probably will be a bug fix patch maybe but dont quote me on that. Other than that the next update on itch would probbably only happen with the finished product.
the PASSWORD TvTropes page has just been created
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i would like to ask for help to give that page more content
I JUSST FOUND A EASTER EGG!! when the game start, i will always put a custom name "Chase" on every visual novel that can change name on it, because the first game i played is echo, but when I just put it on the coffee cup scene I got freaked out when Roswell said he expect Chase look like an otter, so i go back and put random names, 3 or 4 times, its a different dialogue..
Well done mate.
So you have also tried the names of other Characters including the Passwort Cast?
If you put "Dean" on the coffecup, Dave will try to protect his coffe at all cost.
i love this game, it's one of my favourites with rtf and echo, i enjoy the story and find out what the password was at all the times, but i have a little problem with the true ending
Spoiler:
I'm a Dean lover, he is my favourite character and his route is my favourite so far, so i was very dyssapointed when i made it to the true ending and see that dean isn't the canon romance for dave.
But that's just a simple complaint that doesn't affect how good this game is, congratulations grizz for making one of the best visual novels i have ever played
Don't worry, Dean finds his own partner later. But we'll worry about that... well, later.
So... The romance route is actually useless 😐 Because in the true ending, Dave is... umm... i don't want to spoiler it. I'm just gonna pretend Dean path A is the true end because i love him the most. lol
Warning because there is some spoiler in my comment below :)
The game is good, i enjoy playing it. At first i thought this game will be like "Let's MEAT Adam" because i only heard this game is about solving murder mysteries, guess who is the killer and searching code password (also ofcourse because both is gay, adult, nsfw game) 😆 but now i know, i was wrong.
The story is interesting, my favourite part is when the police came to Dave's house and telling the "bad news" about his father. I can feel his sadness 😭 also i love the part when Dave is dying in path A too. Very emotional.
Every route is unique, each character have different problems that makes me love them more. My favourite route is Sal. Because he have many problems in his life but i'm proud he can hold it alone for years.
Last is i'm just want to appreciate you for making nice save section. It make players easier to remember which route and path they are in. There is also color indicator beside the date of the day and beside the characters name to remind players which route they are in.
Thank you for making this game 😊
I'm sorry that you came away feeling that it was useless. The message you were meant to come away from this was that everything happened, so every romance is canon, everything that could have happened did, but the true end converges it all onto one point.
Maybe useless is not the right word to describe what i mean 😅 i'm sorry.
I'm just surprised, Dave immediately choose him to be his boyfriend in the true ending after he became boyfriend/husband to all of his friends in other routes / paths. I thought he will have complicated feeling, like "who will i choose to be my boyfriend?" Because... if all romances in every routes is canon, i assume now he will have love feeling to all of his friends 😅 the other theory i have is : Dave immediately choose him to be his boyfriend because Dave is afraid, he will leave him forever if he not choose him.
Also, i forgot to ask, how about Memphis in the true path? Is he still go to the mansion after that? I imagine he, Dom and Jack still come to the mansion looking for the time machine. Then he will see the vault is open, he will angry and searching Oswin. Maybe he will kill Oswin 🤔
He chose him because he loved him more. Always has. Think back to the big moments of the game and who's there for Dave most; that's why he was the one that was chosen.
As for what happened to Memphis and his goons, that's for the sequel.
Ohh~ i see. Thanks for the answer 😊
And there will be a sequel?! Woooww i can't wait to see and play it 🤗
Maybe these two argument may console you:
1) It sadly fits Dean's character: "Never lucky....", "Always to late". But he may find a new partner regardless.
2) Depending on the outcome of most Path A and B Route, we can certainly assume that Dave and Dean will open a Coffeshop together regardless, by their own or even with Oswins Money (medal hunt). In a way it must happen, otherwise Dean will tragicly die by a work accident as Thanatos mentioend.
Just finished Dean's Route A, and it's been a hell of a ride! I can't wait to complete the other characters routes!
spoiler question
Is there absolutely no way to go through Dave's death again once you've completed the game?
Not yet. I'm aiming to patch that in for Patrons as of next build but things are proving more difficult than I realized.
Is there a guide?
heavy heavt spoiler!
so i've basically 100% this game, loved the story but there's something that bother me about the medals, is all the medals are made of bronze? if it's yes then why in tyson's bad end he's holding a silver medal, and the game doesn't mention what medal was it when dave inspected the medal, does this medal is the 13th medal (Ophiuchus)? if yes, then why does it doesn't mentioned by thanatos or anyone at all?
oh i just read the ama and that answered my question. anyway great game 12/10 cant wait for full release and syndicate
How do i get the Aries medal? Is the only one that i need, is in any specific path?
I vaguely remember Roswell being related to receiving this medal. Maybe one of paths on Roswell route?
I got it while doing Path A, Tyson's route.
How to avoid bad end: Benson
Put passwords you get in the vault and see what happens. If you don't know what to put, look for something that looks like a keyword closer to bad end.
Benson needs multiple passwords. Each are found in the bad endings. Using one will lead to a new chain of events on day 8 and the next password will be in the new chain of events.
There is something on Hoss's route on day 7 that helps with day 8 and allows to avoid one of the passwords. Think it happens on Orlando's route too but once you know the right password it will work on every route, day 8 is a universal one.
i'm not good at english so well so i'm not got it at well
The first two passwords are spoken by Orlandos.
You need to input one of these to potentoially get a scene with Roswell. The final password is one word spoken by Roswell.
Instead of remebering it help to just write down every sus word.
Is it on day four?
Hello, guys so I finished everyone's route and apparently I have 10 medals. how many medals do I need to find? and how do you get them? I really want to see the true ending thanks
12 you get them from each route and most of the paths.
Grizz's Password ask me anything results: https://www.patreon.com/posts/password-ama-81008935
Is the story finished? So why it's still beta? Sorry i'm confused 😅 i never play this vn before.
The first complete draft of the VN is done so its moved from alpha to beta
I do question, has anyone made a fan-made guide with all of the passwords?
Why would you need it if it's that kind of game where bad endings are half of the whole fun? Especially if getting them is required (i believe you need at least one specific bad end for extra content in the end of a path a).
because, I have finished most of the ending for most of the passwords, yet I still want to see the ending I have not seen.
You can just find all passwords in the game, i believe they're not THAT well hidden. If there's something you haven't seen, maybe you need to make different choices with familiar passwords? (also, if any help, i found my notes about passwords and apparently there's 12 working passwords.)
I have found most of them already. But I can't remember them!!!
They are pretty easy to find, I know that. I just have very high memory loss and continue to forget the passwords...
I also have kind of a bad memory, but thankfully to their relevance to the plot, i have remembered all passwords (actually working ones and those that just appeared in the story) since autumn and never forgot them. Maybe that's because i have wrote a guide for my future self (didn't really used it while playing though). Buut i don't want to write them down here, as it is severe spoilers and i don't want anybody unfamiliar with them to see them. Anyway, good luck with recalling/rediscovering passwords. Maybe you'll write them down, too.
Hello guys! so i just finished the PATH A Tyson(best boi) route and apparently there is a true ending?
SPOILERS
So I finished his route first and it ends up with dave reading a note and Roswell suddenly dies. is that the true ending?
I was wondering how to access it? thank you!
PS THIS GAME IS ONE OF MY FAVE VN EVER. I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!
To get true ending, you need to play through pretty much every route and "collect" obvious things. Once it's done, you can access true ending in the end of path a.
including all bad routes?
thanks so much for the response btw
Routes and paths are different things. Route is determined by your partner and path is determined by your choices. But i recommend to read through everything anyway, it may be fun.
oh ok thank you so much
I just finshed the game
So far password has become one of my top 3 favorite Vns, if not maybe my favourite in general.
I loved the way its written, and i love the way you have to really think and look for what you need, to get your preferred outcome.
Im amazed, but sad that its over(?)
Main story wise atleast.
I hope if I ever gave writing a try, that it'd be even half as good as this vn was.
Spoiler pls dont look
Is it possible to get the 13th medal? Also did my comment last time got deleted????
The 13th medal technically does exsist, but no you can't get it and you don't need it.
Ok ive been following this vn for a while now and just finished all routes, my ideas are kinda everywhere right now so this post is gonna be sloppy.
(Spoilers obviously)
Ok so I wanna start off saying I was always a Tyson simp so I was glad that it was the most "official" ship but I 100% understand why people wouldn't like him, he threatened to SA Dave which could be indefinable in some peoples eyes.
Something I couldn't shake off is the true ending where Dave asks Tyson if he's in love with him and he immediately says yes. Where in the A path, even after Dave constantly (altho this is optional) tells him that he loves him, he always responds with a "I'm not sure yet" or "I'm trying to figure it out". It just feels like the whole Tyson figuring out his sexuality was skipped in the true ending.
I guess....
The Tyson in the true ending version is deeply terrified by Dave's sudden abilities. Not to mention that the new Dave totally exposed the "Master". So there is no point in hidding/lying,
Different circumstances in the true end.
For one Dave is more confrontational about it and in a better mental state, directly asking how Tyson felt. Dave before had been too closed off to notice what Tyson was going through, or any of his friends really.
Second Tyson's defenses are lowered from the sedatives he's recovering from. It's mentioned he's lucid, but he's also tired from driving all night to the middle of nowhere and just waking up from being knocked out. The walls he keeps between them are paper thin at that point. Also he doesn't immediately say yes, there is that brief moment you can see him try to fight it before relenting and asking how long Dave has known. Even then, he seems sad or apologetic to admit it, like he's afraid of Dave's reaction.
It's not like those are new feelings either, Tyson has loved Dave for a long while and the denial on the mountain had a fair bit to do with his self worth issues along with being a way to push Dave away to someone better. All those negative feelings haven't had a chance to fester and take hold here. Dave in return already has love for Tyson, main game he's pretty much the first of the six Dave will start to question if he's in love with, plus all the new memories he's seeing of past lives along with that encouragement from Roswell clearing things up.
Heck, special mention to Roswell's line about seeing all the different iterations of the universe, but the one thing that never changes is how much Tyson loves Dave. With Dave having his own set of memories now probably showing him the same thing.
Things on path P line up to where feelings just get acknowledged and reciprocated in a cleaner way. After all they've gone through, and how deep we know those feelings run, it feels good they get that chance to just have that happy ending together on this new prime timeline and all future iterations of the universe.
So
without too much detail, can i get a clue on how to get to path B?
Ive done all the path a routes
And now im trying to find path B, but i keep getting path C
paths:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/on-topic-of-42690779
tanks
Come for the gay, stay for the story~
What a satisfying ending UwU
I kind of like the game, but it makes absolutely no sense why Dave's friends must die. And no sense on how Tanathos is used.
It's mostly the idea of time convergence. Alternate timelines will tend to play similarly. So if someone dies at a certain point, even if you save them from the cause of death, they will still die in another way.
So they die anyway? That would be an argument if it would conform with the true ending.
No? If it helps contextualize it. Just think of it as 'fate' wants some number of them dead and if Dave dies it's a TPK. In the true end, someone still fulfills this condition for them, saving the boys.
I understand what you mean. But that's not an answer to "how or why?". Why does fate wants them then and there? How the special someone came to the conclusion that killing some is beneficial? And why the fate is sated just by killing someone else? How can there be variance in timeline without the "butterfly effect"? Why doesn't "the vault" work earlier, before all that, to prepare? There are just many questions without conclusive answer.
I feel like you're looking for answers to questions that go beyond what's reasonable for a story. If there weren't certain things to incite things, to create a situation, there'd be no story. I answered someone else's question as to how things work and there's an explanation using quantum mechanics, if that answer helps then that's something I'm already trying to make a bit clearer in-text. If not though, then you're wanting a level of explanation that'd make the story a lot more bloated.
I think it's better to understand "fate" as a natural phenomenon. It's not that it "wants" someone to die, it just has to happen. If you are really interested "Steins; Gate" is a 24 episode anime with a huge emphasis on this concept. Similar timelines will wield similar results and, while possible, it's very difficult to move to a timeline that will bypass that. The special someone had access to memories of many past iterations and likely came to the conclusion that someone has to die because it always happens. The vault not working earlier because it goes to it's very principle that of unlocking past iterations memories, if something hasn't happened before it's just not going to work. Eventually it reaches a point that it has accumulated enough information that it can work "earlier". As for the "butterfly effect" that theory for time travel is more popular, but it's opposite to the convergence theory on how it functions, i doubt it'd be possible to have both in the same story.
The reader does't know what Thanatos and his Master did behind the scenes and who they were able to trick fate while David senior was not.
Dave was meant to die. Most of the time by getting gun downed or driven over by one of Memphis Goons. as Memphis was destined to kill or order some killing around day 24 to kill.
Speculating:
Thanatos and his Master find a variance to keep Dave alive be bringing him to the mountain. But doing so either result in the Death of everyone, everyone except Dave (and Oswin), or just Dave first followed by everyone else. So someone was killed to appease DEATH, so Dave could live.
Yes, the reader doesn't know, but it would be nice to explain it, otherwise it just creates a plot hole which you can fill with all kinds of farfetched speculations with lots of assumptions. But it's just not satisfying. A more radical example to make my point: Dave was teleported to London without explanation. You sure can speculate how that happened, but that wouldn't be good.
Hi guys I didn't download the game yet but last time I played it was it's just Day28...but since I have read the comments saying it's finished and has spoilers... So I'm just asking if it is okay to go for any route to get the ending?
you need to do every path pretty much to get the true ending, doesn't matter what route you're on though some routes can't get on some paths because of the role they play in the events.
This visual novel has one of the most complex and fascinating characters I've ever seen in any type of fictional media (I think most people here can figure out who I'm talking about). I was pleasantly surprised to find a character that deeply flawed who was also capable of deeply loving someone that much. Grizz, you're an incredible talented writer and never let anyone convince you otherwise.
Regarding the ending (potential spoiler) ...
The true end was incredibly satisfying. The depth of the relationship of the lovebirds always made my heart beat fast when I was playing the game, thus I'm so happy that they can continue living their lives together. This game was amazing from beginning to end (I cried tears of joy after finishing it).
Does anyone have a list of passwords for each route and day ? Please i`m begging youuu !! i know i know where`s the fun in that? what`s the point ? That`s completely the whole purpose of the game to know and to fully experience the game.
To tell you the truth i`ve been playing this game over and over for months that i thought their is only one ending i didn`t know that there was Zodiacs to collect or even correct passwords .
sorry for my bad grammar .
Wait so you've been stopping at the first bad ending all this time? Well anyone who posts passwords get their comments deleted since it does ruin things, but it fine to tell where to find the first password on each route and thats in the letter you get.
i didn`t know there was other endings , i thought the only ending was them dying , and i didn`t know till now that i need to collect stuff like Cancer and others .
Update: Okay after digging some information on reddit I have never been more embarrased in my life that the passwords was in dialogue's all along, i was soo into what happening to the story that it didn't click in my head about paying attention. Now i feel stupid about asking the password, i feel like the person who was asking " Does Tiktok needs Wifi" ..
Did you by any chance play the Dean-Route first?
sorry for the very late response that`s very rude of me, i played Dean the last, why is there like in order for each route to further progress in the game?
Nope, Dean Route on Day 6 is a little more difficult than the others to figure out the password. His Route doesn't exactly teach the "gameplay" like the other routes.
A finished VN? Now that's a rare sight.
As for the secret end.....
What was the point of the experiment? Dave remembers everything, so that must mean the lethal medicine Oswin created is going to work or something? Paths A and B both had pretty good endings, but path P is just "what if we went to the beach instead?". Sure, it's the best trauma free timeline (assuming the brain damage from memory overload won't be a problem), but I don't see it working at all with the rest of the story.
the point was can the vault work, the fact dave remembers everything proves it.
I get that, but does that affect the medicine any? Also, Roswell clearly remember things way before that point.
Depends:
a) NO: Oswin medicine had always been a succes; the Events on Judgement Day happend because the experiment at the hospital was sabotaged or botched. ->The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to try again.
b) YES: Oswins Medicine was a Failure and -> The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to change the medicine for another try.
It fits with Flora Message for Dave: If Dave and his friend would have known thats impossible to get all the medals on one iteration, why wouldn't have tried. Life is not about Goal, Succes and Regrets, but rather trying/not giving up, making choices and variance.
Alright, but this serves as a conclusion to the game. It really shouldn't be ambiguous in it's message. I'm not saying that a definitive answer is required, but it could have been explained that the whole thing was to tell Oswin to keep trying even if it might be impossible.
First question, whose experiment? There was like 3.
In this case, Florencia's. The medals collecting was her thing, and is what opens that path.
I guess what bothers me most is if just not going to the mansion at all solves everything, why Roswell didn't call it off before? Besides that, I'd like a explicit explanation how this version of the events, makes using the medicine a viable option. Berek07's conjecture is good, but I was hoping that the story would have told me that.
Florencia's experiment was to save her brother and her son. Roswell was terminal with no prospects outside obsessing over a rat that had seen how things play out, and Oswin had given up hope living after his experiment and had to watch his son call someone else dad.
The reason Roswell didn't call it off before is because not going to the mansion doesn't solve the problem. He's tried, it's why we see glimpses of a timeline where Dave is a sole survivor, so that was a no-go. I think an important thing to remember is that Roswell's goal was to keep Dave alive, Thanatos's goal was to keep Roswell alive as much as he could, even in the face of Roswell's wants, and then Florencia just wanted her family fixed.
So why the medals? Because they're impossible to get in one run. They could've been anything at all, just a set of objects that she could've hidden in the same way. It would've required Dave to experience/remember the fact he's looped even with Thanatos as a witness.
The normal question now is usually "So does the medicine work or doesn't it?" the answer is "We don't know." It's a quantum mechanics thing referred to as a wave function collapse, though most people recognize the concept as Schrodinger's cat. All the possibilities of how this medicine works, if it works, is now consolidated into one outcome: which we know due to outside sources that yes, it will work.
As far as providing this explicitly in game, it becomes hard to treat readers with respect for their intelligence with things like this when the alternative is to just open a Wikipedia page on the subject and deliver it up-front. I could have Florencia or someone monologue for a while to get it all down, but at what point does it just become a clunky mess when in-universe Dave isn't going to understand anyway.
It didn't have to be a long winded explanation from her. Florencia could have been like, "Oh so it's actually happening. See, I told you Oz that as long as you try, the impossible could work. This right here is proof of it." and then Oswin, "You know what, you are right. But I'll let Roswell to choose if he wants to risk it or not". Dave doesn't need to understand that interaction.
Isn't that incredibly out of character for Oz considering he's incredibly stubborn
How is prompting Dave to remember multiple timelines meant leading to saving Oswin and Roswell?
Was the idea that Dave remembering would change the family's morale and convince them to try the cure?
Because after all, they can't know if the cure works until they try?
meant to lead to saving Oswin and Roswell*
Well, for Roswell it's easy. Dave remembering the vacation means he won't be able to follow with his plans. So it forces him to reevaluate things. Oswin is the one that i just can't find the reasoning. My best guess is seeing Roswell distraught might make him more willing to present the option of the medicine. It's a stretch but i can't come up with something better.
If calling off the mansion doesn't stop people from dying is there any reason not to believe that someone/everyone is likely to die at the beach vacation in the true end?
Edit: Nevermind, read the other comment about how Thanatos dying counts as "the death" that is required for fate to by filled. Guess that makes sense enough now.
This VN was a rollercoaster from start to finish and i loved all of it. I got the most satisfying feeling from this story. I really liked the ending. Overall i think this story was extremely well written. I can already see myself in the future rereading this VN and enjoy it just as much as I did the first time.
I'm so glad I got to experience the emotions that came from this VN, truly one of my most favourite VNs.
I have just one question though. Can you actually get the password to open the vault or is that not a thing? And also:
(sorry if this is a spoiler)
does the Ophiucus medal even exist? If so can someone please tell me if they have found it and how. Because from what I've experienced it looks like there isn't one.
1. Nope.
2. Technically yes but no.
How do you access the new track, I've completed the new update and it still shows up as "?????"
If its something related to a spoiler, please label it as is
It's a bug, i've messaged Grizz about it on patreon since this was ment to be the last public build so i'll post a comment when i get a response since Grizz's patreon doesn't show him notifications.
Yeah, it's weird. I'll get notifications for everything else (including Patreon having coupons?) just not messages.
The way renpy handles gallery unlocks is through persistent data. If it flags that you've 'experienced' the content, it'll unlock. Except when arbitrarily it decides it won't unlock because of reasons. These reasons are completely alien and not explained at all. In testing, it also decided it wanted to un-complete my gallery for seemingly no reason so I can only assume this is a renpy problem and not something I can solve outside coding in a master unlock password or some hard check at some point to force unlock everything in the gallery. But given the tendency for renpy to also just ignore code, that might not work either.
Yeah, ive noticed this same issue in previous builds where the gallrry would display "Gallery Completed", yet the last image added would still be locked. Its fixed now, but im thinking it might be the same predicament happening for the music gallery as well, since this is the first track being added in a long time.
Spoiler alert
Do benson and rosswell dies on the other paths too? I've only played path A so iam curious
Benson doesn't on path A
Wait he don't?
Well guess I played wrong, because he got ###### on day 24, I even watched two playthroughs were the same thing happens
no wait he does i'm either misremembering or getting confused with path P (true end) which comes after path A. Path A is pretty much regarded as the one where everyone lives at least with normal means.
Cool I didn't remember having a path P, how can I get it?
Route:Hoss Path:B so i found this bug?? When I'm almost near the end
Does anyone know how to use this password? There is this password that appears available from Day 6 and before that I 'accidently' lucked and guessed this password after doing the Epilogue. I'll put the password below for spoilers
The password I found was called 'the end'. Apparently typing this on Day 1 would just automatically close the game but any other day before or during Day 6 would say that its an available password. I only found 12/13 of the Zodiacs, could this be part of the Ophiuchus?
It isn't that used to be an easter egg password that actually opened the vault it can still be seen if you download like build 15 from the public patreon post for that build i think.