This game is interesting, even if I feel I'm bad at it! I just made it to Day 6 with Dean and finally got my first password to work (after a not so pleasant end), is there a functional password for each of the prior days or is Day 6 when it actually starts impacting things?
Well played it for two whole days i love it and i got all the current passwords for each route not gonna spoil it for others thou. Well i'm looking forward to the next update good luck
Hi, umm... I've been replaying this game for quite a while now since I've become attached to the characters and the events, so much that the death scenes are no longer scary for me, But more creepy, but the thing that scares me most is... "the end:end of demo" I'm sorry,But Im scared that we can only play until there, Please tell that we can still expect to play more in the future because, I really love this game and I hope to see more from it ^^
I really love your work and this game, Please tell me We can expect more, I'm just scared on ending things unfishedhaha
well, ok. you are right, but i think i can see his point of view, even if it's written to be continued sometimes happen that uuh... you know.... author just leave the project without saying a word and i'm referring to every type of work/game/book/project etc, but actually i'm pretty sure you aren't that type of person and you will say if you will ever leave, unless unable for some reason, and another thing is you seems pretty determined and clever or at almost this is what i think judging well... by me stalking you answering people questions and comment XD.
of course i just probably trust too much, person i don't even know, and this could be all a mask but i'm ok with that too i mean everyone has their reason to do what they do... or mostly everyone.
Absolutely loved the new Sal content! Seeing Sal be so expressive with Dave is just so nice. Also, new blushing Sal sprite! Although, I will admit, he looks a bit goofier in comparison to everyone else's blushing sprites, no offense!
Wasn't expecting someone to finally witness Dave getting a password right though, that was a surprise. A nice surprise, finally have someone other than Orlando to back Dave's statements up whenever he mentions the visions at the vault.
Getting to know more about Sal and Dean's friendship was actually pretty nice, the bits and pieces of information that Sal mentions that they do shows that they really do have a great friendship. Their bond wasn't quite obvious in other routes so getting that new information in Sal's route was pretty cool.
All in all, a really great update! Appreciate all the hardwork and time that you put into this Grizz. Thank you so much for the wonderful game!
I know I expertly kept my question about this very vague, but when I revealed Oz to see what it did....what in the absolute heck was that all about? Like I don’t really know why that’s there....I understand it’s a bad route, but I feel like nothing was supposed to make sense...first, the rat thing, second, why’d Dave make that comment about “Sure, my friends called me Dave, but that was easier than having to always question if they were talking to me or my dad. It wasn’t exactly something that came up when introducing myself, and this was the first time I’d met this rat.” And how Tyson found the driver’s license when Dave didn’t even know he had it....where’s Benson? How did he not know? Unless he did? Why would Dave even question something like that? Who is the rat, and why does it speak with Oz’s voice (so says Dave)? Is he just delusional or what? I apologize if this comes off aggressive since there are so many questions, but I’m genuinely confused. Yeah it’s a bad route, but it’s not an “ending,” right? Because it says “END OF DEMO” instead of “BAD END:” implying that’s there’s more to be built on...I’m probably thinking WAY too deep into it, but with how the game is in general, I feel like missing something on my part is a strong possibility.🐊
If someone addresses you as your birth name without you having introduced yourself before, and it's the norm to not use your birth name, it's a cause for alarm.
Literally the rest is a case of you thinking far too into it because these questions are raised for a reason given that timeline.
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Honestly forgot to thank Grizz for helping me- Anyway I somehow managed to unlock Dean's second CG even though it's under construction; was that left on purpose?
Also me: think about the book you read and think about what fisher told crafter "do not worry about what's gonna happen in the future but think of what's going to happen now"
I know sexual content isn’t the purpose of the game and I’m loving it so far. That being said, I was seeing the comments on how Dean and Orlando were the only sexual routes and I was just curious if this is a “as things stand” and that may change as the story progresses?
I’m honestly really invested in Tyson. I love the romance that’s going on and with his amount of teasing and hinting at a future romp, it just seems kinda weird that it might...not happen with him? Honestly, with the level of meaning behind it and the trust he is trying to build up, it feels like a sexual encounter with him would really be the icing on the cake to really seal the deal of his love he feels for Dave. Like I don’t picture it as a “wam bam in and out” session but more of a “I got your back”, tender loving sex scene.
Sorry, my mind is running wild with possibilities. The only other character I can see a sexual encounter with is Hoss because of some things he reveals, maybe Roswell, and...oddly enough and this is WAY out of left field...I’d love to see how things would play out with Benson.
Having sex isn't the be all and end all of relationships. Sometimes it doesn't work out despite there being a deep love for one another. It might change, it might not, but if you're invested in a future sex scene for literally anyone know that you're likely to be disappointed as it's not the intent for the game to cater to explicit sex. It's just there as I need it because... sex is a thing people do.
Tyson in particular is... a special case but I hold all the cards as to why. Remember, he has kept saying that he's not gay, so figuring himself out is absolutely a keystone of his route. They may not get to sex if they end up together because there's just so much other stuff to sort through first given their history.
There are no other potential sexual candidates on the table outside the main cast. This means that Benson and Oswin are out, plus any other characters that may show up after route selection.
I LOVE the fact this novel uses sex to emphasize the character's relationships and bonds rather than just because and i love that its not centered around sex this novel has ALOT of potential to grow more than it already has! TY
On Sal's Day 10, I guessed at a password given their conversation from earlier and got some content, but with it still being made, I wanted to know if I should play it out like I didn't guess right. Like, for the sake of story clarity. Or should I continue from the route with the password? Or would that skip story content it's not suppose to.
Day 10 is a turning point where the story splits so its worth playing both but Sal's day 10 is awkward narratively speaking simply because of the role Sal plays so there isn't a bad route 10 for him at the moment.
Thanks. I've been playing all the other routes non-stop and found that Day 10 like Day 6 is another "turn from doom" point. I've got a good grasp of the story flow now. So once it's made, I'll play through all the Day 10s like I don't know how to avoid the tragedy just to see what we learn from those bad ends.
oh lol, the first password still work in 1st day , btw what's the purpose of it? and Hoss has many new dialogues and I love him , this VN is so great. Thanks for making this game and sorry about my english...
from grizz 2 months ago - Well, it doesn't crash so much as force quits like I'm telling it to. After all, if you know that password, what else did you expect? What was there was a relic from early day testing and in no way was canon.
I’ve never loved a character so much in my LIFE 🐊Thank you for this🐊
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Let the gushing begin
First off, I love the new main menu music and the music room. I have three locked songs, but I guess that’s for future updates? His new CGs and the new sprite where Dave called him firm were so freaking adorable...I love how much Dave has warmed up to him and vice versa, becoming more physical in terms of comfort and during their friendly banter...also seeing Sal smile makes me smile, which happened a lot more often. I like the new music where Sal, Tyson, and Dave were investigating, although it didn’t show up in the music room. I loved the part when Sal just verbally sucker punched Tyson...was literally screaming “YOOO” in my head.....I was absolutely NOT expecting him to follow Dave into the vault and see that....but hey....🐊CG🐊Plush watermelon🐊 And omg yes I live for cute moments like at the end...speaking of end, will he have an alternate ending? I did the thing to get there, but I didn’t get it....anyway that’s enough of me gushing, but thanks once again, and keep up the fantastic work!
i just... love this story i love the mystery i love all character and i mean literally everyone and in everything, personality, attitude and i don't know i'm too stupid to find the right words there is sooo much character develop and you learn and understand the way the other could think they feel so alive, everyone feels literally alive sometimes i forget i'm just reading something on a screen, every time a new update comes out i'm excited for the next one i literally read the entire story 4 times even if i knew the password already just because i liked it so much. ah! by the way, the password aren't too hard to find but i needed a little bit of attention, caring and organization, i actually made a note on my pc with everything written with order like, the password of course, but even information that seems important or fact to remember. i like to be pretty organized buuut i'm lazy unless, like in this case, i'm caring for something and i really care for this visual novel .
sorry for bad grammar or punctuation i'm italian forgive me please and i hope it's all comprehensible. really nice job.
I really like this VN. I love hyenas and the main character is so friggin cute.
I must admit that when the first bad thing happened, my heart losed a beat xD
The system of the passwords is pretty cool and I love the whole aura of mystery behind the story. I also started to build my own theory about Oz, but only time will tell if I'm right...
I must say that when I saw Tyson I already know it was my boy and, obviously, I choose to develop a stronger relationship with him, but I wanted to ask... changing the main partner would change only the love story or also the main story?
In any case, I really enjoy your work and I'm looking forward to see more.
Can I get a nudge / step 2? Been pouring over that scene from multiple routes and haven't found anything useful yet, even when using two passwords in a run.
Step 2) Assuming you've used a password and the outcome seems the same, pay attention specifically to what gets brought up after it's too late to save the victim.
Okay like I’m not 100% sure if this has been answered, but like........will there be like....a lot of sexual content?........I remember playing Amorous and I was.....p r e s s e d with the huge load (pun intended) of sex......so like.....I know Dean’s route is a little explicit at the moment (not that I mind), but uh...🗿
It'll be there when required to advance character relationships if needed. Some characters can have their whole arcs told without it, and as of right now the mainly sexually involved routes are Dean and Orlando for reasons that should be obvious.
That isn't to say the others won't or can't have any sexual content, but they aren't (at least as far as what I've got drafted) required. But if there's enough of a push for it and it feels natural enough for things to go down that path I'd consider it.
I'd say feeling natural doesn't seem like much of an issue. These people knew each other for quite some time before, so reaching some degree of sexual interaction in the span of less than a month doesn't feel very unnatural. They wouldn't reach the same level as Dean for sure, but some fooling around seems possible if nothing else.
Don't take this as an endorsement from me though. I prefer the romance aspect myself, I don't care much for the sexual content. Just throwing my two cents on the matter.
There's an ideology when writing character relationships that can become sexual in that the sex scene itself should be a marker for the relationship dynamic changing unless it's literally just written for porn. If it doesn't accomplish that, and it isn't porn, it's just not needed in the story. The only other thing that gets held to this standard is death, which so far the game handles quite well.
In Dean's case, the presence of Dave's expectation of sex moving forward is what I wanted to mark and when we get to Dean's next proper day we'll see his evolution of that. Orlando in the same regard has this metamorphosis if a bit slower because of the other themes his route is tackling.
So when I say natural, I mean more... Is that the appropriate plot point to spur the relationship dynamic to change? Roswell possibly given he's brought up the idea of love, Hoss potentially because of his secret, Tyson is probably a good contender now but struggles due to another theme of his route. Sal's probably the least sexual because... his problems and relationship with Dave aren't really needing to go the route of sex to advance.
Again this is entirely separate to just writing it as porn, which if people want a midnight romp with Tyson, or an outdoor fling with Dean, or something more raunchy with Roswell, that's something else that I'd just have to see if it can be worked in and if people want it.
Thanks for the clarification. In that case I see where your point comes from: if they are to be there, there must be a meaningful reason for it. When it comes to writing quality that seems the most appropriate way to handle them, as it helps cement these moments as the relationship changers you wish them to be. A case of "less is more", to put it simply.
I support your approach wholeheartedly, but then again I'm not the only fan of this story. Still, I'm confident you can come up with something good regardless. You seem a good enough writer to pull it off.
Okay...That’s good to hear....I feel kinda dumb for asking that because of how much thought the writing has put into it already...I know that each character has their issues, but I was thinking of other VNs like Blackgate’s Alin to the point of “oh he’s sad? Sex now” or Repeat’s Owen (to a certain extent). Thanks for clarifying!
Don't feel dumb! It's a valid question and very much something that people that are here for the sex need to be aware of given... well, that it just might not happen.
hey! i love this vn so far! keep up the good work! but i have a quick question!
spoilers! (i think?)
so i have gotten the 6 passwords for the 6 main romanceable characters, and the password you have to look for when visiting the hospital to see orlando, but i dont know how to continue the story from there. what now?
What day are you getting the bad ending? If you tried both options for the Oz reveal, and get bad ends on both, you’re probably missing something else...
1) How did you get the password to stop Orlando getting shot? 2) Based on how that was given to you in-game, what can you infer from this when things change when you use it?
Gotta say, there has been a long time since a story got that much investment out of me. Was checking this 'cause I was bored one night and ended up becoming a fan. Thought I would dislike half the cast when I started, but the way you went with the writing actually made me fond of all but one of them. Hoss went from "I bet I'll hate you by the end" to pretty much my favorite of the bunch, so you're definetely doing something very well on that front. Props for the great work!
Quick question: Do you plan on adding more character sprites? Having only one position with different faces can feel a bit too static at times. It's a minor thing, but I figured I'd ask anyway.
I've shared some of the designs waaaaaaay back on Twitter (Tyson and Roswell), a lot more of the recent ones on Discord (Orlando, Sal, Oswin, Hoss and Benson) and will be looking to finish off Dean, Dave, David and a few others soon.
There'll likely be a post on Patreon and maybe a dev log on here when they're a bit closer to being ready.
I was surprised so many people hate Roswell, though admittedly I'm a bit biased towards him because he's the one I find most aesthetically appealing. I decided to replay and see what issue was, and there were a few things I noticed:
On the first day he fires off one or two bants that don't really land. It feels like it's supposed to give off a playful teasing nature but no one really fires back or laughs with him so it appears a bit more one sided and mean spirited.
I feel like when he calls Tyson a puppy it should be played off as more banter, but the issue is after this he doesn't do any more bantering. So now whenever he insults Tyson it feels like he's specifically targeting him (which maybe he is, I think that's a reasonable character choice, but it makes him less likeable)
Then there's the conversation with him and Orlando just before choosing a partner. Here a few bants are fired at Roswell and he's got the frowny face on. In fact he's got a frowny face on for most of what should be a light hearted conversation. This kind of gives the impression he can dish it out but can't take it.
After that there's the whole thing with thinking Tyson is incapable of love. So he's prided himself as being a pretty scientifically minded individual. And he gives good reasoning to Dave in the kitchen. And I can see him throwing an offhand remark like "Yea if you're even capable of love." like mild banter. But when they're back in the dining room the way he kind of states it as a proven fact to Tyson's face that he's incapable of love without provocation. I feel like it goes against his character to jump to conclusions and make such hard definite statements. Definitely a bit over the top.
So to sum up: I think the way to make him more likeable is to spread out his snarky comments a bit more among the group, then for the group to retort in kind and for him to take it as good natured ribbing. That way when he makes remarks to Tyson they seem within character and not targeted. But you can still give his Tyson remarks a bit more a sting as compared to the others when the tension rises so it's reasonable when Tyson reacts negatively.
And as a side: I can maybe see after all this how bragging about being the smartest might rub some people the wrong way, and how it might come off as comes off as pretentious. Maybe change it to something like "Well intelligence is an immeasurable quality, so I can't say whether or not I'm the smartest, but I do think I'm the best suited for conducting research and mentally draining tasks." Or just leave him as pretentious, everyone needs flaws. (Or have Dave call him out and that can be part of his arc)
It's tricky, because Roswell by design isn't meant to like Tyson and is meant to be actively antagonistic towards him specifically. Which is why specific remarks about his capacity to love are meant to be a bit "Whoa that's a bit much."
The problem as far as I've noticed is just the lack of things in the early days that show that he's a good person just a bit tactless at times. I'm already drafting *something* to potentially fix that but it might take a bit to weave in seamlessly.
I love this game stories. First time I see this game I think It's gonna be bloody in the doom scene. So I just overthinking lol and i want to know how can I hug sal because I play almost everyway. I can but he push me away thanks for making this game 💖
I have another question though, in Orlando's route, is it possible to convince him to sleep with Dave for the night? And in Sal's route, when you approach him at the pool when he was talking about what happened to her sister, is it possible to hug him instead of pushing Dave away?
Sorry, someone in the comments mentioned that they did this but I can't seem to get those particular scenes, so kinda desperate now haha
1) No. There's a reason why he turns Dave down and that's consistent across all instances. 2) Yes. It's tied to affection points. If you have enough, the 'correct' option is to hug. If you don't have enough, the correct option is to give him space.
Just replayed his route again and...once again....got pushed away....as small as it may seem, as a person, hugs are like my one source of comfort (omg eww I’m sorry if this looks like a guilt trip but I’m being so serious here), so like....I kinda want it...sorry for bugging y’all but like I genuinely don’t know what I’m doing wrong (Insert sad music) to not get the comfort he deserves😤
About to play the game again to see if I can get that hug that we are looking for!
Also, no worries! Hugs are definitely a good source of comfort. Though, at the moment, it seems that a hug we are desiring for is from a certain reserved scaly swimmer! Haha!
I just want to say thank you for this game. I am a computer science student currently still attending college and one of my dreams is to make my own furry game. So I found this game by accident and honestly it is pretty inspiring for me. I have been wanting to try with Ren'py as well and I am just getting started.
So I am curious, do you work in a team or alone for this project? and if this is your first project, I have to say I am truly impressed because it is a pretty ingenious game and the writings for the characters are really good :)
Just want to say thank you again because this inspired me and I can't wait to see this game finished.
Heyo! Just wanted to say that I really love what you have so far! I've done all the routes up to the current end of what you have out (excluding Roswell's route), and I'll put the rest of my thoughts below a spoiler warning just to be safe ;P
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It's really well done, and the sex talks with Orlando and Dean regarding Dave's lack of experience caught me off guard with how upfront and good they were with their subjects! (especially since one of my prior experiences with NSFW VNs had no consent in one of the NSFW scenes....)
I love all of the main characters, except Roswell. It's been mentioned a while ago that Roswell is an asshole to everyone, including Dave at times. I don't blame him for not forgiving Tyson at the drop of a hat (nor would I expect him to), but his absolute lack of trust in Dave regarding Tyson is really dickish of him, especially that ultimatum he was leading up to (or that Dave assumed Roswell was leading up to).
But honestly? I don't think Roswell being an ass needs to be changed. Sometimes some people are just unapologetically rude and mean, and just pretend to be nice to a select few people for whatever their reasons are, and they won't change when confronted about it. It's not often to see this being portrayed in stories (at least not without said asshole friend acting almost comically cruel and the character they're friends with acting completely oblivious to this), and I think it'd be nice just to have that kind of experience shown in here.
But if that's not at all what you intended for Roswell, then I understand if you want to change that. After all, this is your story and your characters! lol
He just needs to be toned down a little is all. Like... I was aiming for tactless (almost in the same vein as Dean) but not 'asshole'. The cast is varied enough that I didn't expect everyone to like every single cast member but the reaction to Roswell in particular is just very strong.
Hey so i dont want to be that guy but.... the first Password like the very first when you enter the mansion is that a easter egg or a important vault... i'm a new player so i dont know if i missed something haha
Ok, ALOT to say! 1.THIS IS AMAZING! 2.This is extremely emotional and also very fun! The effort being put into this a grand i can tell! Even the sketches show so much more then they let on! This vn is very mysterious and i LOVE that aspect of it! It really does make you feel good about the great moments in life not just as Dave but as yourself! Also the passwords are relatively easy to find but some not so much. It gives you a great chance to really pay attention and earn the good times! 10/10 would go to this mansion again! Also Thank you Grizz this really is amazing!
I like the gamee its amazing and so far i gathered 10 passwords and finished all routes and alt but i cant seem to find the 11th password ;-; am i missing out on something send halp pls XD
If it does, it'll likely be near the end of development given the script is still in development. There are no plans to translate into any specific language during development however.
There’s 11?? Geez, I must not be paying enough attention...I’ve only gotten the route specific ones, Benson’s saving and bad end, and Day 10’s password...There’s a word in the list that asks for a different day, but no matter what day I try, it keeps asking me for the specific day, leading me to believe I’m either doing something wrong or it’s for a future update... so I’m left with a password that’s supposedly usable and another I apparently haven’t found yet..............¿?is this normal?¿
That's also my question...the vault never tells you when to use a password, but my concern was that a word I entered is apparently a password. The issue I've asked about was me not knowing if the word I used was for a future or current build, so I'm a little stuck in a loop as well...
I've looked through all of the comments for hints to get the day 10 password, and I've certainly found some hints alright, and don't get me wrong I've tried to find the password using these hints. . But all of them just don't make any sense. Anybody got any, more obvious tips? Nothing too bold like revealing the password, but maybe another nudge in the right direction? (All of this is probably me just being an a clueless idiot lol.)
I love how I can just play through the game time and time again and never get to a point of sheer “well I’ll just wait for next update.” It seems like there’s always something new I miss and more elements that’s remind me of how great this game is. I love how every character (maybe except Roswell for reasons) has such interesting styles of their development, even when you aren’t playing their route. Also I love how unskippable the dialogue is. It’s just that good.😩P. S. - Sal is best boi😩
His development per se isn’t an issue, but during most conversations with literally anyone other than Dave, I feel like he’s literally always trying to talk someone down. There are many scenes where he’s seen as disrespectful, literally provoking Tyson multiple times, despite his whole “I don’t like him” perspective, being super unreasonable, and, while it’s just his world-building, literally downplaying Sal’s intelligence. He doesn’t really seem to have positive moments unless you specifically play his route, and those feelings are ONLY for Dave and he just seems to kick everyone else to the curb. I can understand if he’s meant to have this attitude because of how early on him and Dave became friends, but his blindsided attachment to the past is a little overboard. Every other character is positive (or trying to be in Ty’s case) in most scenarios if they don’t involve the deaths. Even with Hoss, if it sounds negative, it really isn’t because he usually has a more analytical approach to things, whereas Roswell just spits venom to everyone. I remember him kind of admitting his jealousy, but he can be a real downer.
That... is a big problem that I didn't notice until now. There should've been something in the way of seeing his interactions with his closer friends (Hoss and Orlando) but I guess I've just internalized it with how often it gets brought up on the server. Thanks for this, I might have to rework a couple earlier scenes, or inject a couple nicer ones just to make him seem less of a douche because he really isn't. Tactless at times sure, but he does have friends that like him for good reasons.
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This game is interesting, even if I feel I'm bad at it! I just made it to Day 6 with Dean and finally got my first password to work (after a not so pleasant end), is there a functional password for each of the prior days or is Day 6 when it actually starts impacting things?
Day 4 has a functional password, before Roswell comes down to try some of his own.
Could I maybe have a hint for it? I've done two routes so far and still can't figure it out
It's on Hoss's list of words from Orlando's route. Won't say which one, but a few them work on different days.
I love every bit of password the music, the sprites, the chacter arcs, even the backgrounds look great
Just out of curiosity, what mansion were the background pictures taken at?
Well played it for two whole days i love it and i got all the current passwords for each route not gonna spoil it for others thou. Well i'm looking forward to the next update good luck
Also, I've been wondering if the reason why tyson and dean aren't in the title screen is an easter egg or just simply unfinished art...
Hi, umm... I've been replaying this game for quite a while now since I've become attached to the characters and the events, so much that the death scenes are no longer scary for me, But more creepy, but the thing that scares me most is... "the end:end of demo" I'm sorry,But Im scared that we can only play until there, Please tell that we can still expect to play more in the future because, I really love this game and I hope to see more from it ^^
I really love your work and this game, Please tell me We can expect more, I'm just scared on ending things unfished haha
New builds come out on the 15th of every month, and every time you reach the end of new content it says "TO BE CONTINUED: END OF DEMO", not "The end".
well, ok. you are right, but i think i can see his point of view, even if it's written to be continued sometimes happen that uuh... you know.... author just leave the project without saying a word and i'm referring to every type of work/game/book/project etc, but actually i'm pretty sure you aren't that type of person and you will say if you will ever leave, unless unable for some reason, and another thing is you seems pretty determined and clever or at almost this is what i think judging well... by me stalking you answering people questions and comment XD.
of course i just probably trust too much, person i don't even know, and this could be all a mask but i'm ok with that too i mean everyone has their reason to do what they do... or mostly everyone.
I agree when i read end of demo my heart dropped but then i looked at the updated every 15th and i was sooooo relieved
oh, thank you, I was getting kinda worried haha...
Absolutely loved the new Sal content! Seeing Sal be so expressive with Dave is just so nice. Also, new blushing Sal sprite! Although, I will admit, he looks a bit goofier in comparison to everyone else's blushing sprites, no offense!
Wasn't expecting someone to finally witness Dave getting a password right though, that was a surprise. A nice surprise, finally have someone other than Orlando to back Dave's statements up whenever he mentions the visions at the vault.
Getting to know more about Sal and Dean's friendship was actually pretty nice, the bits and pieces of information that Sal mentions that they do shows that they really do have a great friendship. Their bond wasn't quite obvious in other routes so getting that new information in Sal's route was pretty cool.
All in all, a really great update! Appreciate all the hardwork and time that you put into this Grizz. Thank you so much for the wonderful game!
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I know I
expertlykept my question about this very vague, but when I revealed Oz to see what it did....what in the absolute heck was that all about? Like I don’t really know why that’s there....I understand it’s a bad route, but I feel like nothing was supposed to make sense...first, the rat thing, second, why’d Dave make that comment about “Sure, my friends called me Dave, but that was easier than having to always question if they were talking to me or my dad. It wasn’t exactly something that came up when introducing myself, and this was the first time I’d met this rat.” And how Tyson found the driver’s license when Dave didn’t even know he had it....where’s Benson? How did he not know? Unless he did? Why would Dave even question something like that? Who is the rat, and why does it speak with Oz’s voice (so says Dave)? Is he just delusional or what? I apologize if this comes off aggressive since there are so many questions, but I’m genuinely confused. Yeah it’s a bad route, but it’s not an “ending,” right? Because it says “END OF DEMO” instead of “BAD END:” implying that’s there’s more to be built on...I’m probably thinking WAY too deep into it, but with how the game is in general, I feel like missing something on my part is a strong possibility.🐊If someone addresses you as your birth name without you having introduced yourself before, and it's the norm to not use your birth name, it's a cause for alarm.
Literally the rest is a case of you thinking far too into it because these questions are raised for a reason given that timeline.
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Honestly forgot to thank Grizz for helping me- Anyway I somehow managed to unlock Dean's second CG even though it's under construction; was that left on purpose?
Yep! Some CGs are unfinished for now, the other routes also have CGs which are not done yet as well.
Alright, thanks
You're very welcome!
Im having some leads to who is the murderer
Me: always thinking about the future
Also me: think about the book you read and think about what fisher told crafter "do not worry about what's gonna happen in the future but think of what's going to happen now"
I know sexual content isn’t the purpose of the game and I’m loving it so far. That being said, I was seeing the comments on how Dean and Orlando were the only sexual routes and I was just curious if this is a “as things stand” and that may change as the story progresses?
I’m honestly really invested in Tyson. I love the romance that’s going on and with his amount of teasing and hinting at a future romp, it just seems kinda weird that it might...not happen with him? Honestly, with the level of meaning behind it and the trust he is trying to build up, it feels like a sexual encounter with him would really be the icing on the cake to really seal the deal of his love he feels for Dave. Like I don’t picture it as a “wam bam in and out” session but more of a “I got your back”, tender loving sex scene.
Sorry, my mind is running wild with possibilities. The only other character I can see a sexual encounter with is Hoss because of some things he reveals, maybe Roswell, and...oddly enough and this is WAY out of left field...I’d love to see how things would play out with Benson.
Having sex isn't the be all and end all of relationships. Sometimes it doesn't work out despite there being a deep love for one another. It might change, it might not, but if you're invested in a future sex scene for literally anyone know that you're likely to be disappointed as it's not the intent for the game to cater to explicit sex. It's just there as I need it because... sex is a thing people do.
Tyson in particular is... a special case but I hold all the cards as to why. Remember, he has kept saying that he's not gay, so figuring himself out is absolutely a keystone of his route. They may not get to sex if they end up together because there's just so much other stuff to sort through first given their history.
There are no other potential sexual candidates on the table outside the main cast. This means that Benson and Oswin are out, plus any other characters that may show up after route selection.
I LOVE the fact this novel uses sex to emphasize the character's relationships and bonds rather than just because and i love that its not centered around sex this novel has ALOT of potential to grow more than it already has! TY
On Sal's Day 10, I guessed at a password given their conversation from earlier and got some content, but with it still being made, I wanted to know if I should play it out like I didn't guess right. Like, for the sake of story clarity. Or should I continue from the route with the password? Or would that skip story content it's not suppose to.
Day 10 is a turning point where the story splits so its worth playing both but Sal's day 10 is awkward narratively speaking simply because of the role Sal plays so there isn't a bad route 10 for him at the moment.
Thanks. I've been playing all the other routes non-stop and found that Day 10 like Day 6 is another "turn from doom" point. I've got a good grasp of the story flow now. So once it's made, I'll play through all the Day 10s like I don't know how to avoid the tragedy just to see what we learn from those bad ends.
oh lol, the first password still work in 1st day , btw what's the purpose of it?
and Hoss has many new dialogues and I love him , this VN is so great. Thanks for making this game and sorry about my english...
A password that works on day 1? Ok I'm really curious now... share the password please?
just an easter egg
from grizz 2 months ago - Well, it doesn't crash so much as force quits like I'm telling it to. After all, if you know that password, what else did you expect? What was there was a relic from early day testing and in no way was canon.
I’ve never loved a character so much in my LIFE 🐊Thank you for this🐊
**SPOILERS**
Let the gushing begin
First off, I love the new main menu music and the music room. I have three locked songs, but I guess that’s for future updates? His new CGs and the new sprite where Dave called him firm were so freaking adorable...I love how much Dave has warmed up to him and vice versa, becoming more physical in terms of comfort and during their friendly banter...also seeing Sal smile makes me smile, which happened a lot more often. I like the new music where Sal, Tyson, and Dave were investigating, although it didn’t show up in the music room. I loved the part when Sal just verbally sucker punched Tyson...was literally screaming “YOOO” in my head.....I was absolutely NOT expecting him to follow Dave into the vault and see that....but hey....🐊CG🐊Plush watermelon🐊
And omg yes I live for cute moments like at the end...speaking of end, will he have an alternate ending? I did the thing to get there, but I didn’t get it....anyway that’s enough of me gushing, but thanks once again, and keep up the fantastic work!Something about seeing Dean’s attempts to have conversation with Dave fail......oddly makes me smile🐊
i just... love this story i love the mystery i love all character and i mean literally everyone and in everything, personality, attitude and i don't know i'm too stupid to find the right words there is sooo much character develop and you learn and understand the way the other could think they feel so alive, everyone feels literally alive sometimes i forget i'm just reading something on a screen, every time a new update comes out i'm excited for the next one i literally read the entire story 4 times even if i knew the password already just because i liked it so much. ah! by the way, the password aren't too hard to find but i needed a little bit of attention, caring and organization, i actually made a note on my pc with everything written with order like, the password of course, but even information that seems important or fact to remember. i like to be pretty organized buuut i'm lazy unless, like in this case, i'm caring for something and i really care for this visual novel .
sorry for bad grammar or punctuation i'm italian forgive me please and i hope it's all comprehensible. really nice job.
I really like this VN. I love hyenas and the main character is so friggin cute.
I must admit that when the first bad thing happened, my heart losed a beat xD
The system of the passwords is pretty cool and I love the whole aura of mystery behind the story. I also started to build my own theory about Oz, but only time will tell if I'm right...
I must say that when I saw Tyson I already know it was my boy and, obviously, I choose to develop a stronger relationship with him, but I wanted to ask... changing the main partner would change only the love story or also the main story?
In any case, I really enjoy your work and I'm looking forward to see more.
*Spoiler Warning?* I feel kinda stupid because I just can't find the key to save Benson. Can I please get a nudge in the right direction?
Step 1) Pay attention to the talk you have with Orlando in that bad end.
Can I get a nudge / step 2? Been pouring over that scene from multiple routes and haven't found anything useful yet, even when using two passwords in a run.
Step 2) Assuming you've used a password and the outcome seems the same, pay attention specifically to what gets brought up after it's too late to save the victim.
Got it, thanks
I felt like Subaru playing this. My heart can't keep up
Haha, return by dea-
*Eerie sound effects*is there anything you need to ask oz to progress the game? just curious.
Nothing required, but you can get some info early. It's mostly just worldbuilding.
Okay like I’m not 100% sure if this has been answered, but like........will there be like....a lot of sexual content?........I remember playing Amorous and I was.....p r e s s e d with the huge load (pun intended) of sex......so like.....I know Dean’s route is a little explicit at the moment (not that I mind), but uh...🗿
It'll be there when required to advance character relationships if needed. Some characters can have their whole arcs told without it, and as of right now the mainly sexually involved routes are Dean and Orlando for reasons that should be obvious.
That isn't to say the others won't or can't have any sexual content, but they aren't (at least as far as what I've got drafted) required. But if there's enough of a push for it and it feels natural enough for things to go down that path I'd consider it.
I'd say feeling natural doesn't seem like much of an issue. These people knew each other for quite some time before, so reaching some degree of sexual interaction in the span of less than a month doesn't feel very unnatural. They wouldn't reach the same level as Dean for sure, but some fooling around seems possible if nothing else.
Don't take this as an endorsement from me though. I prefer the romance aspect myself, I don't care much for the sexual content. Just throwing my two cents on the matter.
Perhaps natural was the wrong word.
There's an ideology when writing character relationships that can become sexual in that the sex scene itself should be a marker for the relationship dynamic changing unless it's literally just written for porn. If it doesn't accomplish that, and it isn't porn, it's just not needed in the story. The only other thing that gets held to this standard is death, which so far the game handles quite well.
In Dean's case, the presence of Dave's expectation of sex moving forward is what I wanted to mark and when we get to Dean's next proper day we'll see his evolution of that. Orlando in the same regard has this metamorphosis if a bit slower because of the other themes his route is tackling.
So when I say natural, I mean more... Is that the appropriate plot point to spur the relationship dynamic to change? Roswell possibly given he's brought up the idea of love, Hoss potentially because of his secret, Tyson is probably a good contender now but struggles due to another theme of his route. Sal's probably the least sexual because... his problems and relationship with Dave aren't really needing to go the route of sex to advance.
Again this is entirely separate to just writing it as porn, which if people want a midnight romp with Tyson, or an outdoor fling with Dean, or something more raunchy with Roswell, that's something else that I'd just have to see if it can be worked in and if people want it.
Thanks for the clarification. In that case I see where your point comes from: if they are to be there, there must be a meaningful reason for it. When it comes to writing quality that seems the most appropriate way to handle them, as it helps cement these moments as the relationship changers you wish them to be. A case of "less is more", to put it simply.
I support your approach wholeheartedly, but then again I'm not the only fan of this story. Still, I'm confident you can come up with something good regardless. You seem a good enough writer to pull it off.
Okay...That’s good to hear....I feel kinda dumb for asking that because of how much thought the writing has put into it already...I know that each character has their issues, but I was thinking of other VNs like Blackgate’s Alin to the point of “oh he’s sad? Sex now” or Repeat’s Owen (to a certain extent). Thanks for clarifying!
Don't feel dumb! It's a valid question and very much something that people that are here for the sex need to be aware of given... well, that it just might not happen.
hey! i love this vn so far! keep up the good work! but i have a quick question!
spoilers! (i think?)
so i have gotten the 6 passwords for the 6 main romanceable characters, and the password you have to look for when visiting the hospital to see orlando, but i dont know how to continue the story from there. what now?
Use that last password you got and see what changes.
so orlando dosen't get shot. im soooooo confused like every thing is still bad like please i need help😭
so i tried both options on revealing oz or not but either way it still ends bad. im sorry im probably just being dumb😭
What day are you getting the bad ending? If you tried both options for the Oz reveal, and get bad ends on both, you’re probably missing something else...
Day 8. this is when tyson and dean fight over the gun and gets orlando shot.
1) How did you get the password to stop Orlando getting shot?
2) Based on how that was given to you in-game, what can you infer from this when things change when you use it?
Gotta say, there has been a long time since a story got that much investment out of me. Was checking this 'cause I was bored one night and ended up becoming a fan. Thought I would dislike half the cast when I started, but the way you went with the writing actually made me fond of all but one of them. Hoss went from "I bet I'll hate you by the end" to pretty much my favorite of the bunch, so you're definetely doing something very well on that front. Props for the great work!
Quick question: Do you plan on adding more character sprites? Having only one position with different faces can feel a bit too static at times. It's a minor thing, but I figured I'd ask anyway.
Oh yes. Ideally in the next couple months I'll be upping the resolution to 1080p as well which means a fresh coat of paint for the guys too.
Squawks in wishful time skip*
I've shared some of the designs waaaaaaay back on Twitter (Tyson and Roswell), a lot more of the recent ones on Discord (Orlando, Sal, Oswin, Hoss and Benson) and will be looking to finish off Dean, Dave, David and a few others soon.
There'll likely be a post on Patreon and maybe a dev log on here when they're a bit closer to being ready.
Oooh, good to know! Glad to see this project progressing!
Well, looking forward to seeing those that's for sure. Keep up the good work!
**SPOILERS**
I was surprised so many people hate Roswell, though admittedly I'm a bit biased towards him because he's the one I find most aesthetically appealing. I decided to replay and see what issue was, and there were a few things I noticed:
On the first day he fires off one or two bants that don't really land. It feels like it's supposed to give off a playful teasing nature but no one really fires back or laughs with him so it appears a bit more one sided and mean spirited.
I feel like when he calls Tyson a puppy it should be played off as more banter, but the issue is after this he doesn't do any more bantering. So now whenever he insults Tyson it feels like he's specifically targeting him (which maybe he is, I think that's a reasonable character choice, but it makes him less likeable)
Then there's the conversation with him and Orlando just before choosing a partner. Here a few bants are fired at Roswell and he's got the frowny face on. In fact he's got a frowny face on for most of what should be a light hearted conversation. This kind of gives the impression he can dish it out but can't take it.
After that there's the whole thing with thinking Tyson is incapable of love. So he's prided himself as being a pretty scientifically minded individual. And he gives good reasoning to Dave in the kitchen. And I can see him throwing an offhand remark like "Yea if you're even capable of love." like mild banter. But when they're back in the dining room the way he kind of states it as a proven fact to Tyson's face that he's incapable of love without provocation. I feel like it goes against his character to jump to conclusions and make such hard definite statements. Definitely a bit over the top.
So to sum up: I think the way to make him more likeable is to spread out his snarky comments a bit more among the group, then for the group to retort in kind and for him to take it as good natured ribbing. That way when he makes remarks to Tyson they seem within character and not targeted. But you can still give his Tyson remarks a bit more a sting as compared to the others when the tension rises so it's reasonable when Tyson reacts negatively.
And as a side: I can maybe see after all this how bragging about being the smartest might rub some people the wrong way, and how it might come off as comes off as pretentious. Maybe change it to something like "Well intelligence is an immeasurable quality, so I can't say whether or not I'm the smartest, but I do think I'm the best suited for conducting research and mentally draining tasks." Or just leave him as pretentious, everyone needs flaws. (Or have Dave call him out and that can be part of his arc)
It's tricky, because Roswell by design isn't meant to like Tyson and is meant to be actively antagonistic towards him specifically. Which is why specific remarks about his capacity to love are meant to be a bit "Whoa that's a bit much."
The problem as far as I've noticed is just the lack of things in the early days that show that he's a good person just a bit tactless at times. I'm already drafting *something* to potentially fix that but it might take a bit to weave in seamlessly.
That's good to hear, I just think if you throw a few more witty insults around as jokes it would disguise the genuinely barbed remarks better.
Anyway whatever you choose to do I still like Roswell anyway.
I love this game stories. First time I see this game I think It's gonna be bloody in the doom scene. So I just overthinking lol and i want to know how can I hug sal because I play almost everyway. I can but he push me away thanks for making this game 💖
Are all of Sal's CG obtainable? I'm missing 2 but I can't seem to find it.
And if they are obtainable, could someone nudge me in the right direction?
No, some are there as placeholders for next build.
Oh, thanks for answering!
I have another question though, in Orlando's route, is it possible to convince him to sleep with Dave for the night? And in Sal's route, when you approach him at the pool when he was talking about what happened to her sister, is it possible to hug him instead of pushing Dave away?
Sorry, someone in the comments mentioned that they did this but I can't seem to get those particular scenes, so kinda desperate now haha
1) No. There's a reason why he turns Dave down and that's consistent across all instances.
2) Yes. It's tied to affection points. If you have enough, the 'correct' option is to hug. If you don't have enough, the correct option is to give him space.
Ah, thank you so much for answering! Sorry for asking too many questions haha
Also, as a sidenote, loving the game! You're making an awesome game and I can't wait for the day it's completed!
I deeply connect with this statement
Just replayed his route again and...once again....got pushed away....as small as it may seem, as a person, hugs are like my one source of comfort (omg eww I’m sorry if this looks like a guilt trip but I’m being so serious here), so like....I kinda want it...sorry for bugging y’all but like I genuinely don’t know what I’m doing wrong (Insert sad music) to not get the comfort he deserves😤
About to play the game again to see if I can get that hug that we are looking for!
Also, no worries! Hugs are definitely a good source of comfort. Though, at the moment, it seems that a hug we are desiring for is from a certain reserved scaly swimmer! Haha!
Edit: Got the hugs! Short but nice.
This is currently me asking how to accomplish that goal...🥺
Ohh...I always let him punch Dean, even if I play Dean’s route🤪 Shall replay tonight and will fight for my hug😤
So I've problably read the password for day 11 but I can't figure it out. (all I want is a nudge to the password)
Dave's conversations and reflections :)
Hey there ^^
I just want to say thank you for this game. I am a computer science student currently still attending college and one of my dreams is to make my own furry game. So I found this game by accident and honestly it is pretty inspiring for me. I have been wanting to try with Ren'py as well and I am just getting started.
So I am curious, do you work in a team or alone for this project? and if this is your first project, I have to say I am truly impressed because it is a pretty ingenious game and the writings for the characters are really good :)
Just want to say thank you again because this inspired me and I can't wait to see this game finished.
That's all from me, thank you ^^
Pretty much all alone. I've had some help here and there and I've collaborated with one other to make the OST.
Otherwise I have a degree in interactive entertainment so glad to know that my qualification is paying off! Thanks!
I see, well that's quite impressive. Nicely done hehe
Good luck with it :)
Heyo! Just wanted to say that I really love what you have so far! I've done all the routes up to the current end of what you have out (excluding Roswell's route), and I'll put the rest of my thoughts below a spoiler warning just to be safe ;P
***SPOILERS***
It's really well done, and the sex talks with Orlando and Dean regarding Dave's lack of experience caught me off guard with how upfront and good they were with their subjects! (especially since one of my prior experiences with NSFW VNs had no consent in one of the NSFW scenes....)
I love all of the main characters, except Roswell. It's been mentioned a while ago that Roswell is an asshole to everyone, including Dave at times. I don't blame him for not forgiving Tyson at the drop of a hat (nor would I expect him to), but his absolute lack of trust in Dave regarding Tyson is really dickish of him, especially that ultimatum he was leading up to (or that Dave assumed Roswell was leading up to).
But honestly? I don't think Roswell being an ass needs to be changed. Sometimes some people are just unapologetically rude and mean, and just pretend to be nice to a select few people for whatever their reasons are, and they won't change when confronted about it. It's not often to see this being portrayed in stories (at least not without said asshole friend acting almost comically cruel and the character they're friends with acting completely oblivious to this), and I think it'd be nice just to have that kind of experience shown in here.
But if that's not at all what you intended for Roswell, then I understand if you want to change that. After all, this is your story and your characters! lol
I look forward to future updates!
He just needs to be toned down a little is all. Like... I was aiming for tactless (almost in the same vein as Dean) but not 'asshole'. The cast is varied enough that I didn't expect everyone to like every single cast member but the reaction to Roswell in particular is just very strong.
thank you for reminding me my tear ducts still work! 10/10
Hey so i dont want to be that guy but.... the first Password like the very first when you enter the mansion is that a easter egg or a important vault... i'm a new player so i dont know if i missed something haha
Easter Egg.
Don't worry, you'll know if you missed something important.
Ok, ALOT to say! 1.THIS IS AMAZING! 2.This is extremely emotional and also very fun! The effort being put into this a grand i can tell! Even the sketches show so much more then they let on! This vn is very mysterious and i LOVE that aspect of it! It really does make you feel good about the great moments in life not just as Dave but as yourself! Also the passwords are relatively easy to find but some not so much. It gives you a great chance to really pay attention and earn the good times! 10/10 would go to this mansion again! Also Thank you Grizz this really is amazing!
**Spoilers?**
Okay so like...I did the do, but like what in the heck was that
Hmmm...............
What is Tyson second gene is he aint a wolf...something to do with the patch around his eyes
he says his mother was a dog when you talk about it with him i think
Her mother is a b**** other term for female dog lol
I like the gamee its amazing and so far i gathered 10 passwords and finished all routes and alt but i cant seem to find the 11th password ;-; am i missing out on something send halp pls XD
I love Hoss the most btw :3
Nah, some of them are technically listed as optional despite changing the narrative. So long as everyone's alive, you're on the right track.
Okie thanks xD
This game will be translated into Spanish? OwO
If it does, it'll likely be near the end of development given the script is still in development. There are no plans to translate into any specific language during development however.
So dave father name is dave?
His full name is available in game. If you need to ask, you haven't found it yet.
How about a spoiler alert for those who want to find the passwords themselves? -.-
As of right now there are 11 narratively important passwords. Any others either are Easter eggs or aren't passwords.
**SPOILER**
There’s 11?? Geez, I must not be paying enough attention...I’ve only gotten the route specific ones, Benson’s saving and bad end, and Day 10’s password...There’s a word in the list that asks for a different day, but no matter what day I try, it keeps asking me for the specific day, leading me to believe I’m either doing something wrong or it’s for a future update... so I’m left with a password that’s supposedly usable and another I apparently haven’t found yet..............¿?is this normal?¿
Weird question but what day?
**SPOILER**
That's also my question...the vault never tells you when to use a password, but my concern was that a word I entered is apparently a password. The issue I've asked about was me not knowing if the word I used was for a future or current build, so I'm a little stuck in a loop as well...
Hey!
I've looked through all of the comments for hints to get the day 10 password, and I've certainly found some hints alright, and don't get me wrong I've tried to find the password using these hints. . But all of them just don't make any sense. Anybody got any, more obvious tips? Nothing too bold like revealing the password, but maybe another nudge in the right direction? (All of this is probably me just being an a clueless idiot lol.)
its in the convosation with benson, think about what dave thinks at the vault.
Thanks! I thought it was there but I probably overlooked something.
I love how I can just play through the game time and time again and never get to a point of sheer “well I’ll just wait for next update.” It seems like there’s always something new I miss and more elements that’s remind me of how great this game is. I love how every character (maybe except Roswell for reasons) has such interesting styles of their development, even when you aren’t playing their route. Also I love how unskippable the dialogue is. It’s just that good.😩P. S. - Sal is best boi😩
Does Roswell not have an interesting style of development?
His development per se isn’t an issue, but during most conversations with literally anyone other than Dave, I feel like he’s literally always trying to talk someone down. There are many scenes where he’s seen as disrespectful, literally provoking Tyson multiple times, despite his whole “I don’t like him” perspective, being super unreasonable, and, while it’s just his world-building, literally downplaying Sal’s intelligence. He doesn’t really seem to have positive moments unless you specifically play his route, and those feelings are ONLY for Dave and he just seems to kick everyone else to the curb. I can understand if he’s meant to have this attitude because of how early on him and Dave became friends, but his blindsided attachment to the past is a little overboard. Every other character is positive (or trying to be in Ty’s case) in most scenarios if they don’t involve the deaths. Even with Hoss, if it sounds negative, it really isn’t because he usually has a more analytical approach to things, whereas Roswell just spits venom to everyone. I remember him kind of admitting his jealousy, but he can be a real downer.
That... is a big problem that I didn't notice until now. There should've been something in the way of seeing his interactions with his closer friends (Hoss and Orlando) but I guess I've just internalized it with how often it gets brought up on the server. Thanks for this, I might have to rework a couple earlier scenes, or inject a couple nicer ones just to make him seem less of a douche because he really isn't. Tactless at times sure, but he does have friends that like him for good reasons.
Thanks for hearing me out...I really didn’t like singling him out, especially since the whole mansion hangout was his idea, so any change is welcome😁